Silicon Valley Regional 2008

[David Brinza]

Looks like a hot final:

#1 (100, 254, 115) vs #2 (8, 192, 2024).

A Woodside/Poofs alliance won CalGames last fall. I expect a fast and furious finals. Just about to start...

[Kevin Sevcik]

So who's writing the Q&A about that blatant incredibly basic scoring mistake by the refs in the final match?

[chaoticprout]

Never mind, they're playing another match.

[T3_1565]

thats what I was thinking.... shouldn't that blue capped ball counted??

[Woody1458]

UPDATE FROM THE FIELD:
too much contraversy over blue ball refs decide to call it a tie redoing last match more to come

[Ken Streeter]

Originally Posted by Kevin Sevcik

So who's writing the Q&A about that blatant incredibly basic scoring mistake by the refs in the final match?

I've noticed that they have been making that mistake regarding G14 (not scoring trackballs remaining on the overpass which have been partially supported by robots of the *opposing* alliance) all day!

Hmm, they just announced that they are going to play another match -- I wonder if it is a reversal of the G14 scoring problem. (I saw it happen in at least two other matches today.)

[Meredith Novak]

Originally Posted by Kevin Sevcik

So who's writing the Q&A about that blatant incredibly basic scoring mistake by the refs in the final match?

Is that descoring of the 12 points for blue correct because the red robot was touching it??? That makes eliminating the 12 point bonus a lot easier. My drive team is confused...as am I. Now they say they are playing another match - HUH???

[Rick TYler]

????

What was that call on the bonus ball? Blue had the ball scored, and then a red robot partially lifted it trying to descore, and they don't count the bonus for blue because the ball is touched (and a little supported) by a red robot? So, all you have to do is be in contact at the end to descore? Without going and looking at the rules, I think blue was ripped off.

Has blue filed a protest yet?

[Pavan Dave]

<G14>When the MATCH ends, each TRACKBALL that is at least partially supported by the
OVERPASS and not in contact with any ROBOT of the same ALLIANCE will earn a 12-point
bonus. If a TRACKBALL is in unrestrained motion (i.e. not in contact with another ROBOT)
when the clock reaches zero, its contribution to the score will be based on when it comes to
rest.

??? That is a blue win. This isn't good... A "tie breaker" rematch ???

I think the test next year needs to be harder...Can someone please explain why the manual wasn't followed?

[Rick TYler]

The worst referee decision I've seen in FIRST. Wow. A "do over"? Is this a third-grade recess? How about this, "We made a mistake. Blue wins."

I feel sorry for Mark that he has to sound supportive of this decision.

EDITED: Having been a Little League umpire, I have immense sympathies for the referees. This same thing happened a couple of times the last day in Oregon, but there the refs called the ball as scored. Sorry for the harsh comments, refs, but this shouldn't have happened like this. Blue won.

[thefro526]

All I know is, there is no way that they should have called a do over. It should have been a win for blue. Regardless I dub that call as hacks, but w/e more matches = better.

But then again, refs are people to and they have the right to be wrong, but that's one heck of a time to be wrong

[EricH]

Originally Posted by thefro526

All I know is, there is no way that they should have called a do over. It should have been a win for blue. Regardless I dub that call as hacks, but w/e more matches = better.

There was a similar match in L.A. finals, 2006. They replayed that one.

[Rick TYler]

Originally Posted by Rick TYler

The worst referee decision I've seen in FIRST. Wow. A "do over"? Is this a third-grade recess? How about this, "We made a mistake. Blue wins."

I feel sorry for Mark that he has to sound supportive of this decision.

EDITED: Having been a Little League umpire, I have immense sympathies for the referees. This same thing happened a couple of times the last day in Oregon, but there the refs called the ball as scored. Sorry for the harsh comments, refs, but this shouldn't have happened like this. Blue won.

I want to apologize to all referees past, present, and future. These remarks were intemperate and not worded in a constructive way. I am truly sorry for them.

[David Brinza]

Wow!
Red won a close first match. Penalties were a big factor in the last two matches: a <G22> (zone incursion) penalty against Red swung the outcome of Final Match 2 and a <G42> (hurdling interference) on the Blue alliance called in Match 3 apparently swung that match in favor of Red. But then - chaos!

The penalty in the final was strongly contested and an announcement made that the penalty was rescinded. But then the referee announced that the final match would be replayed because of misinterpretation of the rule involving the supported Blue ball by a Red robot.

I don't understand why the match just doesn't go to Blue. Count the bonus Trackball and even if the Blue penalty is enforced, Blue wins!!

[Stephi Rae]

Unfortunately, if Team 100 had missed "over" the overpass in match two instead of coming backwards, they would have won by two points and none of this would have happened... we saw this many times in Team 100's play in Oregon... In my opinion, another hurdle and crossing your finish line is sometimes the best you can do with a robot not necessarily designed to specifically place the ball...

well... good luck to both alliances...