Silicon Valley Regional 2008

[Ken Streeter]

Originally Posted by Kevin Sevcik

So who's writing the Q&A about that blatant incredibly basic scoring mistake by the refs in the final match?

I've noticed that they have been making that mistake regarding G14 (not scoring trackballs remaining on the overpass which have been partially supported by robots of the *opposing* alliance) all day!

Hmm, they just announced that they are going to play another match -- I wonder if it is a reversal of the G14 scoring problem. (I saw it happen in at least two other matches today.)

[Meredith Novak]

Originally Posted by Kevin Sevcik

So who's writing the Q&A about that blatant incredibly basic scoring mistake by the refs in the final match?

Is that descoring of the 12 points for blue correct because the red robot was touching it??? That makes eliminating the 12 point bonus a lot easier. My drive team is confused...as am I. Now they say they are playing another match - HUH???

[Pavan Dave]

<G14>When the MATCH ends, each TRACKBALL that is at least partially supported by the
OVERPASS and not in contact with any ROBOT of the same ALLIANCE will earn a 12-point
bonus. If a TRACKBALL is in unrestrained motion (i.e. not in contact with another ROBOT)
when the clock reaches zero, its contribution to the score will be based on when it comes to
rest.

??? That is a blue win. This isn't good... A "tie breaker" rematch ???

I think the test next year needs to be harder...Can someone please explain why the manual wasn't followed?

[Rick TYler]

The worst referee decision I've seen in FIRST. Wow. A "do over"? Is this a third-grade recess? How about this, "We made a mistake. Blue wins."

I feel sorry for Mark that he has to sound supportive of this decision.

EDITED: Having been a Little League umpire, I have immense sympathies for the referees. This same thing happened a couple of times the last day in Oregon, but there the refs called the ball as scored. Sorry for the harsh comments, refs, but this shouldn't have happened like this. Blue won.

[thefro526]

All I know is, there is no way that they should have called a do over. It should have been a win for blue. Regardless I dub that call as hacks, but w/e more matches = better.

But then again, refs are people to and they have the right to be wrong, but that's one heck of a time to be wrong

[EricH]

Originally Posted by thefro526

All I know is, there is no way that they should have called a do over. It should have been a win for blue. Regardless I dub that call as hacks, but w/e more matches = better.

There was a similar match in L.A. finals, 2006. They replayed that one.

[David Brinza]

Wow!
Red won a close first match. Penalties were a big factor in the last two matches: a <G22> (zone incursion) penalty against Red swung the outcome of Final Match 2 and a <G42> (hurdling interference) on the Blue alliance called in Match 3 apparently swung that match in favor of Red. But then - chaos!

The penalty in the final was strongly contested and an announcement made that the penalty was rescinded. But then the referee announced that the final match would be replayed because of misinterpretation of the rule involving the supported Blue ball by a Red robot.

I don't understand why the match just doesn't go to Blue. Count the bonus Trackball and even if the Blue penalty is enforced, Blue wins!!

[Woody1458]

UPDATE FROM THE FIELD:
too much contraversy over blue ball refs decide to call it a tie redoing last match more to come

[Stephi Rae]

Unfortunately, if Team 100 had missed "over" the overpass in match two instead of coming backwards, they would have won by two points and none of this would have happened... we saw this many times in Team 100's play in Oregon... In my opinion, another hurdle and crossing your finish line is sometimes the best you can do with a robot not necessarily designed to specifically place the ball...

well... good luck to both alliances...

[Brandon Holley]

i love team 254 and think they are a great role model for teams, and i love team 100 and everything they do

with that said its unfortunate to see horrible refereeing cause so much turmoil among who should have won SVR. ALL the teams put up a hard nosed effort, and even tho the refereeing was horrid, the refs did the right thing by keeping the horrid calls consistent in the end and giving the 4th match.

254, 100 and 115 deserve the win just as much as anyone else and kudos to them!

[XaulZan11]

I didn't see it but this sounds very similar to what happened in the finals on Curie last year. After the blue alliance (330, 910 and 1523 (?) won the first match, the red alliance (1732, 67, 48) appeared to have won the 2nd. But, one of the referees thought blue had one more tube on the rack that was not counted. Although that one blue tube would have not decided the match, the entire match was replayed and the blue alliance won.

[Pavan Dave]

*jokes*

Guys, wait, were having a match number 5!!!!!!


*/jokes*

Originally Posted by Woody1458

UPDATE FROM THE FIELD:
too much contraversy over blue ball refs decide to call it a tie redoing last match more to come

Is that a reason to deny someone a win?? Is that enough ground to say, "we don't care what happened on the field, lets do a do-over!"? ... I'm sure the Patriots would have loved that call?

[chaoticprout]

Before the end of match 3, I was rooting for the red alliance. Afterwards, considering the blue alliance won, I rooted for them. I think this win is just....wrong.

Edit: Not putting a wrong in the hands of the red.

[Kingofl337]

[Brandon Holley]

congrats to 100, 254 and 115 on winning the regional

blue alliance you put on a great show, sometimes rulings go your way, and sometimes they cost you a regional