POLL ONLY. SVR F-3

[Nawaid Ladak]

i think this is a bigger issue THIS YEAR because of what FIRST said during the kickoff event. stating all refs would go through a online course and be consistent from regional to regional. now we got VCU, SVR, and in my opinion everything but G22's at UCF...not to mention the counting of unhurdled trackballs, and then correcting their mistake and making us wonder...

[SmartAlek]

Originally Posted by Nawaid Ladak

i think this is a bigger isue THIS YEAR because of what FIRST said during the kickoff event

What did they say during kickoff?

[math4origami]

I think it was the referee training they mentioned?

[Brandon Holley]

After watching all 4 matches I must say that match 4 SHOULD have taken place. The referees were not doing a very good job even in match 2, where they missed 2 pretty obvious calls. If we wanna look back at that, then the red alliance would have won in the 2nd match, and a 3rd and even more controversial match wouldnt have occurred.

Congratulations again to the red alliance for winning the regional. To the blue alliance teams, a very hard fought battle indeed, unfortunately poor officiating seems to be an unwanted theme developing in FIRST.

[=Martin=Taylor=]

Let me start by saying that this game is stupid. It’s entirely determined by penalties.


Now consider this. The refs misinterpreted the track-ball removal rules THROUGHOUT SVR. We lost points to this misunderstanding. Other teams lost points to this misunderstanding....

What I'm trying to say is that they did not simply call a random penalty in the finals. They called the same penalty ALL DAY.

So what if they had figured it out? What if they didn't give blue alliance the penalty? Wouldn't all the other teams that lost points to this misunderstanding have gotten angry?

What a strange day....

We were actually packing up our robot when we were called back to the field.

[lemon1324]

No replay.

I was in the very front row for this match. My two cents says it was a bad call. <G14> specifically says a trackball "supported at least partially by the OVERPASS and not in contact with any ROBOT of the same ALLIANCE" gets the 12 points. Thus the blue trackball scored, and thus wins the match, regardless of the <G42> call called on them (I believe this was also diputed). This happened during one of our qualification matches (Team #2473) and we got points for the ball.

That said, decisions by personnel, good or bad, are a part of any sport, and ahould be taken as such. The vounteer crew did they best job they could, and tried their best to give everyone a fair show. My hat's off to them.

[MarkJ]

I voted unddecided based on things I mentioned in another post. From what I saw, the 3rd match never should have been an issue because the red alliance should have won the 2nd match. I thought red won matches 1 and 2, and thought blue should have won 3. Very strange. I think the wrong alliance won matches 2 and 3, but that the right alliance won in the end. But based on everything that happened, and that the 6 teams couldn't control any of it - seems FIRST should do what they do in the olympics sometimes - why not give all 6 teams a "gold"? I'm sure all 6 feel they won the event, and I can't blame any of them.

[Tetraman]

The replay was the fairest action the refs could have taken.

This may be the most unfortunate situation of FIRST this year, but that doesn't mean we treat this as the most disgusting thing to happen in a competition. Is it the refs fault? Maybe. But don't give them crap because they don't deserve it. All we can ask for is the situation be remembered as another FIRST lerning experiance and not something against FIRST or it's volunteers.

[TKM.368]

Paid refs - perhaps that's what we need. People whose job is just to study the rules and prepare for these events.

One thing puzzles me about a rematch - what if the exact same thing happened in the rematch? People say it was scored incorrectly throughout SVR so they couldn't change for the contested match. If the same thing happened in the rematch, what would have been done then? Do you continue to be consistent or change to be right?

Again, tough job and I don't envy the refs or the RD. Nobody will ever be fully satisfied one way or another.

[Swan217]

To all:

A counterarguement. This is what happens even when the referees are paid, there's instant replay, and the game rules don't change year to year. This was the final goal in the final game of the Stanley Cup Finals.

And as another question - what would you have wanted them to do? Pick up all of the confetti and tell the Stanley Cup Champs that they don't deserve the Stanley Cup because the ref made a mistake? As far as I know, it takes 4 games to win the Stanley Cup, and it takes 2 wins to win a Robotics Competition. So if you couldn't win the first two games, and you couldn't win the 3rd game by large enough of a margin to overcome a bad call, how much do you really have the arguement that you were cheated?