More Scoring Issues...

[Racer26]

I will agree with you guys there, the field refs were VERY consistent at the Waterloo Regional. The only thing I had a little trouble with was towards the end of Saturday, 188 capped the overpass at the last possible second, the ball settled into the overpass, and their lift (presumably running on pneumatics, or a backwindable motor) slid downwards after the match. I'm not totally certain if it was in contact with the ball at T=0. The refs did NOT score this ball. One or two matches later, 2609 had a similar incident. They capped the ball, and backed up a bit right when the buzzer went (presumably attempting to not lose their ball the same way 188 did), once disabled, their arm collapsed down, and brushed the ball on its way down (the ball was still settling into the overpass, but would have anyway). The refs didn't count this ball either, and I feel they should have, as 2609 was NOT in contact with the ball at T=0, but rather came into contact with it AFTER T=0.

EDIT: Also, the queuing crew were not quite so consistent. On Thursday, they told us that they didn't like how big our cart was (for anyone who was their, they can attest that our powered forklift cart WAS a little on the big side, but still totally reasonable in comparison to some of the stuff I've seen at a FIRST event, never mind that it was designed with the utmost of ergonomics and safety in mind, as noted by the Safety Advisors). They did however say that as long as we didn't drive it up alongside the field, and that we were quick with it and didn't get in the way, that it would be fine. Then late on Friday, they flipflopped, again saying that they didn't want it there. After much complaining from our lead mentor (who on numerous occasions has hurt his back lifting our robot onto the field, yielding the forklift design of our cart), they watched us very carefully the next few times we brought it in, and eventually said it would be ok again.

[SU 39]

Originally Posted by GeeForce

Was 1114, by chance, playing with two other robots at the time? Is it possible that those other robots crossed 1 line each?


[disclaimer: this is spoken as a driver] At Detroit and St. Louis, we felt that hurdler interference is one of the calls that wasn't really made as much as it should have been. Satisfying the act of HURDLING (ball higher than lane divider OR moving towards overpass with ball), we saw several times where teams would get wrecked and no call was made. We tried our best to discuss it with the head ref after our matches, but often to no avail. At WMR this weekend (and apparently Waterloo as well), we noticed that they were being MUCH more strict on this call. I feel that this is one where it's better to be fairly overzealous in giving the benefit of the doubt to the hurdling team.

As a driver, I noticed many instances where <G42> should have been called but wasn't, and times when it really didn't matter and it was called.
Example: I was standing in the on-deck watching, and calling out penalties to the rest of my drive team and watching timid refs. But that's another subject and can go under "Referee inconsistencies" or whatever.
Example 2: We got a hurdler interference with less than 3 seconds left for bumping into a robot that was JUST starting to raise its lift. The part I had a problem with was that the other 4 robots happened to be blocking the entire track in front of both of us, and theres NO WAY that robot could have hurdled from its position (near its own driver station wall).

And back on topic about scoring problems...I think they're usually fixed when they are brought to the attention of the head ref/scorekeepers. I know one of the matches Friday morning at SVR was scoring lines with only 1 point each. Someone pointed out how they had an odd score and they quickly changed it back even though it didn't affect the final outcome.

[EricH]

I saw a few issues with <G42> at L.A. (not called), but it didn't matter. The funny one was when a team had an obvious <G22> (over the overpass from the other side) and it wasn't called. They got possession of an opponent's trackball instead (which was also a valid penalty in that case). I don't really have any issues with the L.A. scoring/penalties because the ones I saw that were missed wouldn't have changed the outcome.

<G42> is a very subjectively called rule.

[Bochek]

Originally Posted by 1075guy

EDIT: Also, the queuing crew were not quite so consistent. On Thursday, they told us that they didn't like how big our cart was (for anyone who was their, they can attest that our powered forklift cart WAS a little on the big side, but still totally reasonable in comparison to some of the stuff I've seen at a FIRST event, never mind that it was designed with the utmost of ergonomics and safety in mind, as noted by the Safety Advisors). They did however say that as long as we didn't drive it up alongside the field, and that we were quick with it and didn't get in the way, that it would be fine. Then late on Friday, they flipflopped, again saying that they didn't want it there. After much complaining from our lead mentor (who on numerous occasions has hurt his back lifting our robot onto the field, yielding the forklift design of our cart), they watched us very carefully the next few times we brought it in, and eventually said it would be ok again.

I agree, well allmost, The people who where queuing us (waiting to play) where very nice and orginized.

On the other hand, the lady who was trying to get robots off the field, was quite the opposite, We had the smallest car there. and we where constantly being yelled at, not told, to move hurry up and leave, she didn't even want us to remove our flag from the bot before leaving. If we where any longer then about a full 5 seconds i would get an earful every single time. I found her to be quite rude.

Besides that, that was a perfectly ran event, everything was planned spot on and it ran like clockwork.

- Bochek

[Kate00]

Originally Posted by Bochek

I agree, well allmost, The people who where queuing us (waiting to play) where very nice and orginized.

On the other hand, the lady who was trying to get robots off the field, was quite the opposite, We had the smallest car there. and we where constantly being yelled at, not told, to move hurry up and leave, she didn't even want us to remove our flag from the bot before leaving. If we where any longer then about a full 5 seconds i would get an earful every single time. I found her to be quite rude.

Besides that, that was a perfectly ran event, everything was planned spot on and it ran like clockwork.

- Bochek

Please, if you have a problem with a specific volunteer, bring it up to their supervisor, or someone in a position of power. If a volunteer is being rude, chances are the supervisor of the volunteer has no idea how they are acting. We want to give everyone a fantastic experience at FIRST events, and if a volunteer is ruining that for you, we want to try and fix that. The volunteers are there to make sure you have the best event possible, please, if you have a problem, let us know.

[Brandon Holley]

Originally Posted by Kate Mosley

Please, if you have a problem with a specific volunteer, bring it up to their supervisor, or someone in a position of power. If a volunteer is being rude, chances are the supervisor of the volunteer has no idea how they are acting. We want to give everyone a fantastic experience at FIRST events, and if a volunteer is ruining that for you, we want to try and fix that. The volunteers are there to make sure you have the best event possible, please, if you have a problem, let us know.

Kate I am glad you brought this up because its nice to know people are still trying to make sure the event is as fun as possible.