scoring problems

[Rick TYler]

Originally Posted by 1075guy

Regardless of the lap counter, it was stated that humans WOULD be counting from day 1, and from the sounds of it, they have not.

The scorekeeper training includes manual counting of all scoring (that is -- referees press buttons for scoring events and the computers tally up the answer). Refs were certainly scoring at both regionals I worked, and the ones I've seen Webcast. Are there really regionals where refs are NOT using the scoring boxes? Perhaps a ref would chime in to comment on referee training?

The scorekeeper's display includes both the automatic lap counting and the referee lap counts. The total used in calculating the score is the referee count -- not the auto count. To be honest with you, I don't even know if the lap totals displayed on the audience screen used the auto or ref lap counts. I was too busy to pay much attention. The teams seemed satisfied as long as the totals were right in the final score. In Seattle, we didn't use the auto counts for anything -- Fred's word was Law.

[GaryVoshol]

Originally Posted by 1075guy

Regardless of the lap counter, it was stated that humans WOULD be counting from day 1, and from the sounds of it, they have not.

From the sounds of what?

At the regionals there two referees at the end of each Overpass, each with an electronic box. What do you think they are doing?

[MannyMa]

Originally Posted by SlimBoJones

The Waterloo crew has built up a history of taking excruciating pains to "get it right."

I remember the 20 minute ref conference after Q2-4 in 2007 where they essentially did a forensic reconstruction of the match to figure out how a VERY strange double inadvertant self-spoil during a de-spoil should have correctly been scored. They initially announced the wrong score with wrong alliance winning, but retracted it immediately. After the score was corrected, the other alliance ended up winning 28-27. It took a lot of guts to reverse the decision on a deciding eliminations match, and by such a small margin. But they got it right... they did a great job.

... This was the highlight of my first year as head ref last year... ...

[brentmcjunkin]

I dont think that the flag should sit that high off the ground any way because the overpass can easily rip off the flag

[EricH]

Originally Posted by brentmcjunkin

I dont think that the flag should sit that high off the ground any way because the overpass can easily rip off the flag

Funny, I haven't seen ANY flags come out on impact with the overpass. They seem to disappear after robot contact sometimes, though.

[brentmcjunkin]

they still should not be that high off the ground just because of that fact those flags hit pretty hard though

[EricH]

Originally Posted by brentmcjunkin

they still should not be that high off the ground just because of that fact those flags hit pretty hard though

What fact?

Remember, the GDC told us where to place the flags this year. They made sure that they would clear the overpass. They tried to keep them from popping out. They still do. It's still better than last year and the year before.

[TigerDrive09]

Dang man I can't possibly say how many times our flag was ripped off and/or disconnected therefore giving us scores that were wayyy off. One time our robot stripped the flag pole because our popper got a hold of it and ripped it off and twisted it. Idk how that happened, none the less we lost quite a few rounds because of A: Alliance penalties or B: flag pole problems. And may I mention that this years game was extremely limited, with penalties and small playing areas, but that's just me. I remember when my brother was in FRC in 2004-2005 it was alot rougher play and more exciting games. It's ok though I had lots of fun and learned alot which is the whole purpose.

-JGA