Change Of Match Schedule

[Imprudent]

Unfortunatly, when Pit Admin was approached, no answer was given in regards to the schedule changes!

[mtaman02]

Pit admin is not gonna know.

The only people that would know would be the FTA (FIRST Technical Advisor who is on hand to supervise the assy, dis-assy of the field and serve as tech support if something should fail with the FIRST field / and or its electronic equip. - including but not limited to generating the 3 days worth of matches and such) - They are basically the go to people when something doesn't go right and they will take care of it accordingly by either handling it themselves OR pointing you in the right direction, Field Power Controller / Scoring System Operator and maybe one or 2 nobodies :-p. That even goes for us who do queuing. Personally it tickles my curiosity when something like this happens but its on a need to know basis and if I don't need to know then so be it esp if its above my pay rate :-p

[Richard Wallace]

Originally Posted by mtaman02

... Personally it tickles my curiosity when something like this happens but its on a need to know basis and if I don't need to know then so be it esp if its above my pay rate :-p

Well, I don't think it's above your pay rate, because the FTA gets paid the same as you; i.e., $0.00 per event. However, you are correct to advise Imprudent that only the FTA knows for sure why the match list was changed.

One difference between FTAs and the key volunteers (such as Lead Queuers, without whom absolutely nothing of interest would occur at any FRC event) is that FTAs can receive instructions regarding last minute changes directly from FIRST headquarters. That may be what happened, or it may be that the FTA (or one of the key volunteers she/he works with) found a problem that required correction. One thing I'm extremely confident of: if a change was made, it was required to correct something. FTAs and FIRST headquarters staff have enough real problems to deal with -- they don't make changes to things that are already working correctly.

[Rick TYler]

At Seattle the FTA never touched the software. The "nobodies" at the scoring table ran the match system and printed the schedules. The scorekeepers are trained on the match software, not the FTAs (although there is no particular reason they couldn't know how to do it -- I just know they weren't at the training conference calls where we were taught how to build the match schedule). The only people who ever touched the scoring computer at Seattle were the scorekeepers.

There are even more reasons why the schedule might get rerun. Before we finalized our schedule we generated (edited: I think it was three) variations. We needed to get a particular team in the first two matches because there was a television crew present to shoot that team for a feature they were doing, and the crew couldn't hang around until they came up in the schedule. This was before it was distributed, though, so it might not have violated the rule. Even if it had I can pretty much guarantee that the event director would have redone the matches Friday morning if it guaranteed television coverage. I suspect she would do even more than changing the match schedule, actually, but that's a different story.

[ChrisH]

I can think of several reasons a change might have been made:

1) Incorrect data, ie they input the wrong lunch time or some other important time. It is amazing how much emphasis the match generation system puts on lunch.

2) Somebody changed the number of matches to be played. ie the FTA put in 9 and somebody later said "are you crazy? and made them change it to 8.

3) They issued it without auditing it and then found too many repeats when people started looking at it. There are inputs you can make that will either increase or decrease the number of repeat opponenets teams will see.

4) The schedule was leaked early to a team or individual.

The list could go on .....

In Los Angeles we had to reschedule because a team decided (on Thursday ) that they weren't going to participate. In San Diego we were trying to start a team as late as possible because their robot was shipped to the wrong place and hadn't arrived yet. ( They were originally in Match 1, we got them back to Match 7 and their robot arrived about the time we opened up the pits for the day) Fortunately in both cases we hadn't distributed the lists yet.

While as FTA I didn't touch the scoring system physically, I sure was looking over shoulders when the matches were being generated. FTAs are trained to operate the scoring system, including the match generation part, sometimes we just "have more important things to do". There are also many good reasons to let the scoring guy handle it, but I could do it if needed.

I made darn sure I was there when we audited the schedule that had been generated before printing. Auditing is a key step that is easily missed as the system doesn't make you do it. With proper auditing you could almost get a decent schedule out of last year's algorithm. You just had to run it a bunch of times.

[Pat Fairbank]

The match schedule was changed because the minimum match spacing was not set correctly in the software, and therefore some teams were complaining that the schedule was not random enough (the spacing was set to "auto", which means it's derived from the number of teams at the event and since there were 66 teams it was far too high).

However, the new schedule was in fact distributed to teams Thursday afternoon, only an hour or two after the first one. Pit administration did make a number of announcements to make sure teams were aware of the change.

[Rick TYler]

Originally Posted by ChrisH

In Los Angeles we had to reschedule because a team decided (on Thursday ) that they weren't going to participate.

We had a team go home Friday night. That was a slice of scheduling heaven...