2008 Ultimate Alliance

[Alex Cormier]

No numbers will be inserted and will never be inserted in my opinions. only what the bot needs to be and you can fill in the teams as you wish.

I say...

2 robots that have the ability to shoot and a roller intake system where they don't have to stop 90% of the time to acquire the ball after a hurdle.the third robot has to be a arm type robot, one that can easily knock at the end and play hard defense on the top teams.



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[waialua359]

Just wanted to add observations made this past week which I'm sure others could add based on observations at other regionals.
Types of referee calls (consistent), defense, and what the role of the non-hurdling robot should do.
Many were amazed/shocked/happy/mad at the same time during the matches between the 2024/846/2460 vs 233/254/2454 matches in the semis where the pink alliance barely pulled out the win in the rubber match.

Before you watch the vids, you have to wonder how the heck did they almost lose. Remember, this alliance pulled out a record 148 points in the finals, while pink was undefeated during the weekend dominating matches, and to add 254 to the alliance which was dominating. 2024 and 846 averaged under 2 hurdles per match, yet were very, very confident as I watched them from behind. If they had won, 233, 254, 968, and 25 all would have been knocked out in the semis (the top 4 offensive teams at the regional, IMO).

The referees allowed the teams to play without strict penalties (not counting G22). The strategy by the other alliance clearly worked to immobolize the scoring. I dont want to get into the tipping over part as it shouldnt be argued over on CD.
My point is that the referees controlled the tempo of the matches which were consistent throughout the whole tournament. I wonder what will it be like at CMP.
Anyone can be immobolized by a good defensive robot. I've heard great praise about team 8 from 2024 at SVR and their defensive abilities, where both of them teammed up. 2024 has shown great confidence, great driving, and great strategy in their 2 regionals.
Those two may not be among the greatest of hurdlers, but they certainly should not be passed up at CMP, at the very least as the 3rd alliance partner.

Just another note: It was the first time I saw where the strategy in some matches were to act as if you were herding the opponents ball for them very intently the WHOLE match, in preventing hurdling. That is truly a GREAT strategy.

Sean,
Where are you? What do you think? Acccurate?

[Lil' Lavery]

Rather than explain my reasoning and leave out the numbers of each of the teams to fill the roles, I'll give you the teams and let you guess at the reasoning.
1114, 365, 1024


Okay, Glenn's edit a split second before I hit "post" is just plain scary.

[Katie_UPS]

I also agree with the three hurdlers idea
As long as the alliance is communicating (which I don't see why they wouldn't) then it wouldn't be a problem.
From first hand experience, a 2hurdle-1lap/def bot can do pretty badly.
In the Wisconsin regional, the number 1 alliance (1625.1730.1675) looked like it was going to dominate, but then a hurdler broke and we only had one other hurdler. THEN the other hurdler broke. Leaving three lap bots, and unless you had extremely awesome defense (but that equals penalties) you really have no chance.

Although I'm surprised no one said 1675 (not to be conceided), because we were spotlighted earlier (week 2ish) about being one the first defense bots...


But the idea of three hurdlers is, in my opinion, the best, as long as communication is present.

[waialua359]

Originally Posted by Lil' Lavery

Rather than explain my reasoning and leave out the numbers of each of the teams to fill the roles, I'll give you the teams and let you guess at the reasoning.
1114, 365, 1024


Okay, Glenn's edit a split second before I hit "post" is just plain scary.

DITTO! and we're 6 hours apart.

Since your dad saw the whole thing, I'm sure you'll have lots of interesting things to "analyze." I think it was an eye opener even for him.

[andrew348]

Now I will have to say

20, 1114, and 148

[ADHDassassin]

Team 1114 They are just amazing, Team 1477 Best Win-loss record in FIRST, Team 16 Their robot has amazing potential if the driving coordination improves.

[waialua359]

I've heard from many others that teams 16 and 20 are just simply amazing and that its a surprise no one is talking about them more often.

[smurfgirl]

Originally Posted by ADHDassassin

Team 1114 They are just amazing, Team 1477 Best Win-loss record in FIRST, Team 16 Their robot has amazing potential if the driving coordination improves.

Best win-loss record for this season, or for the whole team history? What is your record?

[brimcdonald666]

Originally Posted by Lil' Lavery

Rather than explain my reasoning and leave out the numbers of each of the teams to fill the roles, I'll give you the teams and let you guess at the reasoning.
1114, 365, 1024


Okay, Glenn's edit a split second before I hit "post" is just plain scary.

*Shudders* I don't even want to imagine that...i mean, that would be at least 80+ points in hybrid if everything works out

[Magnechu]

I still have yet to see a better robot than 1124. 1114 is the only one that might be better than them, as far as I can tell, but the UberBots just seem more consistent and have a better pickup on the ball. 1114 definitely has the best actual hurdle, but it seems like if anyone is as fast as them and plays hard defense on them, they're going to have a hard time picking that ball up. 1124's only weakness is their net getting tangled up in another robot. It would be absolutely sick to watch them team up.

I hope that wasn't confusing as their numbers are so close. ;x

[ADHDassassin]

Originally Posted by smurfgirl

Best win-loss record for this season, or for the whole team history? What is your record?

Team 1477 has the best winning percentage of any team that has competed in at least 2 regionals at 30-1 and by the way our only loss came because of penalties our driver got when all four of us on the field had a huge blonde moment and picked up the other alliances ball and ran for half a lap. That match was against 118 and even with the penalty and lost time and scoring potential of the mishap we only lost by twenty points and BTW that was 25 matches ago.

[s_forbes]

After seeing the Las Vegas regional, it's obvious that 39 definitely belongs in the ultimate alliance. Holy cow. They had several 7 hurdle matches, are able to catch the ball when taking it off the overpass (in hybrid as well as teleop), and can hurdle a flat trackball. Enough said.

My current favorite alliance: 1114, 39, 1024

[FrozenFish]

Is there another website that has a lot of the finals matches besides YouTube? I keep trying to find videos of different regionals and failing

[MrForbes]

Did you try The Blue Alliance

http://www.thebluealliance.net/

and Soap108?

http://www.soap.circuitrunners.com/2008/movies/