08 Colorado Controversy

[GaryVoshol]

Originally Posted by libertyrobotics

we will try to get videos up soon. We noticed that in the middle of some of our matches the score would drop with no explaination. It was 24 then dropped to 18, can anyone offer an explaination for that?

A ref scored the ball as a hurdle when it should have been a cross, and then corrected the score?

[Mr. Freeman]

Originally Posted by GaryVoshol

A ref scored the ball as a hurdle when it should have been a cross, and then corrected the score?

I don't know anything about the score dropping, but a drop from 24 to 18 doesn't make sense if it's a correction for a hurdle vs. running the ball across the finish line. If a hurdle is 24 points then running it across the lane should be 20 points.

A drop from 24 to 18 would be the difference between a hurdle and a robot going under without a ball, or while touching the ball.

Waiting until the event is over and then complaining on a public forum instead of having the drivers handle any questions on the spot is not the way things are supposed to be handled. Did the drivers protest on the spot?

A member from one team said that he found a problem after reviewing some video (I don't think any drivers even realized that there might be a problem immediately after their match) and got a few teams together. He said that the attempted to talk to the head ref but that the head ref wouldn't speak to him about the situation.

[EricH]

Originally Posted by Mr. Freeman

I don't know anything about the score dropping, but a drop from 24 to 18 doesn't make sense if it's a correction for a hurdle vs. running the ball across the finish line. If a hurdle is 24 points then running it across the lane should be 20 points.

A drop from 24 to 18 would be the difference between a hurdle and a robot going under without a ball, or while touching the ball.

24 points with hurdle. OK, so subtract 8 (no hurdle) and you get 16. Add 2 (for the crossing). You get 18. And it makes sense.

[Mr. Freeman]

Originally Posted by EricH

24 points with hurdle. OK, so subtract 8 (no hurdle) and you get 16. Add 2 (for the crossing). You get 18. And it makes sense.

I said that it made no sense for a hurdle that should have been passing the ball under the overpass to be adjusted from 24 to 18. I now realize that I may have misread the post I quoted, but I mentioned that 24 to 18 is the difference between a hurdle and the robot crossing without the ball.

A hurdle is 6 points, ball going under the overpass is 2, bot crossing is 2.


Anyway, I don't think that this thread exists to stir up controversy. I, for one, am simply curious as to whether or not there was a scoring error. I don't expect any results to be changed, but, as I understand it, one critical part of engineering is failure analysis and how to prevent future failures. If there was a scoring error, then it would be nice to know how and when it occurred such that FIRST may prevent this failure next year.

[Vikesrock]

Originally Posted by Mr. Freeman

I said that it made no sense for a hurdle that should have been passing the ball under the overpass to be adjusted from 24 to 18. I now realize that I may have misread the post I quoted, but I mentioned that 24 to 18 is the difference between a hurdle and the robot crossing without the ball.

A hurdle is 6 points, ball going under the overpass is 2, bot crossing is 2.


Anyway, I don't think that this thread exists to stir up controversy. I, for one, am simply curious as to whether or not there was a scoring error. I don't expect any results to be changed, but, as I understand it, one critical part of engineering is failure analysis and how to prevent future failures. If there was a scoring error, then it would be nice to know how and when it occurred such that FIRST may prevent this failure next year.

Incorrect, a hurdle is worth 8 points total without the bot crossing the line. Thus a correction from a hurdle to a herd(roll under), either both with robot crossing or both without, would be a 6 pt. difference.

[Mike Martus]

OK before this gets out of hand...........

The idea of a scoring error is discussed at the time it happens. NO VIDEO is reviewed by the refs - period. Their decision is final. While you may not agree, and while you may have hours of video proving your point... all is mute at this juncture. The game is over... it is what it was scored.

No level of complaints and bashing is going to do any good for your team, the alliance or for FIRST.

Time to move on.

This thread will be watched... if it gets out of hand it will be moved to moderated or closed.

Please report this thread if it gets worse....