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Re: Winning Multiple Regionals
You keep stressing that you aren't jealous, but that just points to something else that you seem to be missing out on. It's not just what you do that should be inspiring you. It's what others do as well. Am I jealous of the Simbots? You bet I am! I don't just want my team to beat them. I want my team to be them.
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Re: Winning Multiple Regionals
indeed it does... or at least winning one (depending on how you view success)
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Re: GP? I think not.
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If you don't have a "good" robot, you can go to more than one regional. If you have a "good" robot, you can only go to one regional. You call this "fair"? I'm from a team that goes to three regionals every year, yet has never won a single one. If we happened to make a 1114 status dominant robot with a lot of hard work and a lot of luck, and we win our first regional, then we forfeit our right to play in the other two regionals? Or since we didn't have a "history of dominance" we can still compete in the other two regionals? Honestly, If I had a robot I loved to watched compete, and I knew if I won the first regional, I wouldn't be allowed to compete with it again at the other regionals, I wouldn't try to win. I'd probably make it to the finals and then give up, because I know I could win, but playing again will be a lot more fun than getting a little trophy and ending our season early. Mike C. Last edited by Michael Corsetto : 04-04-2008 at 13:00. Reason: Spelling |
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Also so that I add something to the thread, I'm going to share a little anecdote about teams attending multiple regionals. My team attended the MN regional last weekend. There were a number of teams there that had already competed (including 1 that had won and 3 that came close). One such team was Team 93, N.E.W Apple Corps. All weekend their pit was practically empty. There was always a person or two inside to give you a part if you asked (I often wonder if their tool chest is magic). Where were all their students you might ask? They were in other pits working on other robots for practically the entire weekend. I noticed similar behavior from most of the other veteran teams that had already competed. These "powerhouse" teams have much to share and limiting the number of regionals they can attend also limits the number of people they can help and I think that does limit development and growth. |
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Re: GP? I think not.
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For the sake of argument, let's say that you do limit dominant teams to one regional. Who does this hurt?
1. The students on that team. Why should they be denied the opportunity to get just as much inspiration as those on other teams? 2. The students on non-dominant teams. Those student would all of a sudden not be able to benefit from the help of the dominant teams. They would never be given the jump start that they need to better themselves and their team. 3. The students on all other teams. When a team comes up with something innovative, everyone in the program should have the right to see it up close and in person. 4. FIRST itself. Something special happens when more than one dominant team is on the field. The game is played as it is supposed to be played, and the matches become extremely exciting. Teams (dominant or not) will play to the level that they need to in order to win. When playing against someone that's better than you (in anything), you inherently make yourself better. This is just a fact of life. Ratcheting this bar up year after year benefits everyone. Imagine a person off the street walking in and seeing 6 boxes on wheels spinning in circles. Personally I'd be pretty bored and would give up on it quickly. 5. The mentors on all teams. I can't think of a single mentor that has shared the opinion that you bring up in my 7 years in FIRST. Most mentors thrive on being able to see cool designs brought forth by dominant teams. Why? Because cool designs are inspirational and key to making your own designs better. The list can probably go on and on. A lot has been said in this thread and I don't want to rehash anything, but take a deep breath and think about it from all perspectives. Successful teams are needed for any sporting event to work. Successful teams are needed in FIRST to better everyone. Limiting or diminishing their roles is both disrespectful to the team and detrimental to the program. |
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2. There are planty of other teams that can help at any given regionals, they dont have to have already won one. 3. Either way everyone is not going to see every robot, nor do they need to. Quote:
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Re: GP? I think not.
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"Hey guys, I think we're pretty awesome this year. We'll probably win everything. Let's just not go to another regional since we're going to dominate anyway, okay?" The truth is that NO team - I don't care how long they've been in the competition or how well they've done during their tenure - knows what is going to happen until they put their robot on the field for the first time at their first event. How egotistical and selfish do you take these teams to be? Out of the list of robots that has been quoted over and over here as being some of the elite teams in FIRST, I can name a season for each of them where their robot was mediocre or sub-par. That's just how it works. Nobody can be 'on', all of the time. The repeat years you're talking about where a team may win more than one regional or where a team wins Championship more than once is luck and ingenuity - it takes practice, it takes time, and it takes a group of students who are willing to really work to make it happen. Quote:
If a student of mine came up to me and expressed these opinions, we'd have a long talk together about why they are in the FIRST program, what it means to them, and what they hope to accomplish while on the team. We'd talk about what it means to be a gracious competitor and how to act professionally both on and off the field. Here's the point - everyone seeks inspiration in different ways. It appears that FIRST is not giving you the inspiration you seek, based on the opinions and logic you have attempted to express here. Walk away from the keyboard, sit down, and think about what you've said and what others have said before you post again. Posting from emotion is getting you little to nowhere, and giving people a negative impression of whom I'm sure you are. Yes, you have points. Yes, we understand them. However, in trying to talk to you about them, you're throwing up defenses. Think about what I said. And if you have nobody to talk to about the conversation I detailed above, I'd be happy to give you a call and let you vent. Really. |
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Let's keep the discussion of this topic in this thread .. so please do not create another thread to talk about winning multiple regionals. Moderators: unlock no earlier than Sunday, please. |
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