Defensive Strategy - cornering opponents ball

[Shadow503]

Maybe it would be a good time for a lock on this thread. Both sides have discussed their opinions and I think we've all come to the conclusion that we won't come to a conclusion. We all know it is both a legal and effective strategy. All the rest is just a matter of perspective.

[SL8]

Originally Posted by Shadow503

Maybe it would be a good time for a lock on this thread. Both sides have discussed their opinions and I think we've all come to the conclusion that we won't come to a conclusion. We all know it is both a legal and effective strategy. All the rest is just a matter of perspective.

Here we go with the echoes, but I agree.

[Travis Hoffman]

Originally Posted by Shadow503

Maybe it would be a good time for a lock on this thread. Both sides have discussed their opinions and I think we've all come to the conclusion that we won't come to a conclusion. We all know it is both a legal and effective strategy. All the rest is just a matter of perspective.

Up until around post #85, no one would have suggested this thread required a lock. If people can avoid the antagonism and focus on the meat of the conversation, there's no reason to stifle the discussion.

That being said, I do wonder if there's much more for anyone to lend to this particular topic. But I'd submit cooler heads still have a right to share any as-yet uncommunicated insight. Locking this thread would deny that right.

If there's nothing more constructive that needs to be said, then it won't be said.

[SL8]

Originally Posted by Travis Hoffman

Up until around post #85, no one would have suggested this thread required a lock. If people can avoid the antagonism and focus on the meat of the conversation, there's no reason to stifle the discussion.

That being said, I do wonder if there's much more for anyone to lend to this particular topic. But I'd submit cooler heads still have a right to share any as-yet uncommunicated insight. Locking this thread would deny that right.

If there's nothing more constructive that needs to be said, then it won't be said.

Good point. Regardless of the most recent post, we should be able to post here rather than have to waste space creating a new thread.

[JackN]

I am a big fan of pinning an opponents ball. Anyone who thinks that this strategy is Un-GP or against the intent of the rules is kind of just whining about not having a robot that can counteract a smart play. I can think of several teams that are able to fight their way in and can pick up a ball that is pinned against a wall (PM me and I can give you some of these teams). Those people that say how boring it would be to watch a match where all 4 balls are pinned, I disagree completely. That would be very interesting to watch, does a team try to grab a pinned ball and let their opponents get a lap lead, or do they just try and out run their opponents and hope they can win that way. I expect that at least one team on Einstein will be pinning a ball and limiting the scoring for the opposing alliance.

[Aren_Hill]

Originally Posted by JackN

I am a big fan of pinning an opponents ball. Anyone who thinks that this strategy is Un-GP or against the intent of the rules is kind of just whining about not having a robot that can counteract a smart play. I can think of several teams that are able to fight their way in and can pick up a ball that is pinned against a wall (PM me and I can give you some of these teams). Those people that say how boring it would be to watch a match where all 4 balls are pinned, I disagree completely. That would be very interesting to watch, does a team try to grab a pinned ball and let their opponents get a lap lead, or do they just try and out run their opponents and hope they can win that way. I expect that at least one team on Einstein will be pinning a ball and limiting the scoring for the opposing alliance.

Yay for low gear and grippy tires, we'll get that ball

[SL8]

Originally Posted by SL8

Good point. Regardless of the most recent post, we should be able to post here rather than have to waste space creating a new thread.

Somehow, I think we activated a deluge of new post.

[Bill Moore]

Originally Posted by Daniel_LaFleur

Design for defense ... because it will happen once you prove yourself a scoring threat.

This is key. Many teams lock into an idea immediately after their brainstorming sessions and rush off to prototype. Equal importance should be given to developing a "Threat" team to consider counter strategies to the robot design, so improvements can be made during prototyping.

Strategy is rarely static, and how you design your robot isn't always the best way to win the game.