Intentionally Losing Matches

[fredliu168]

I have been thinking of this for a while, and I want to see the chiefdelphi perspective of this.

Consider this case:
Your team has a decent lapbot in a shallow field, and one qualification match left to compete in. If you win the next match, you are guarenteed to be the 8th alliance captain, but you would be facing a superalliance of 1114, 217, xxxx (clearly an exageration), which you could never beat no-matter who you selected.
If you were to intentionally forfeit the next qualification match by not showing up and not sending a representative from your team, you would be definitely outside of the alliance captain selections, and would likely be selected by the number 1 or 2 or 3 alliance (2nd pick) making it to the finals or possibly winning.

Do you think it is un-gp to not show up for a match intentionally and possibly affect your alliance at that qualification match. Note, this is different from coming onto the field and losing by driving clockwise the entire match.


DISCLAIMER: I in no way support this strategy. Please don't misinterpret this post as intent to use this strategy myself or for my team. This has not been done by any team I know, and is purely hypothetical.

[SL8]

I can not see how this is any way even sportsman like.
Seeing how your forfeiture affects your alliance partners , (negatively) I just wouldn't be able to not try.
I don't think team in case would like one of their alliance partners to forfiet for individual gain.
un-GP

Edit: I'm going to sleep on it.( How exactly to respond were this one of my alliance partners.)

[Jared Russell]

1. It affects your partners, which is VERY un-GP.

2. Even if you lose, you may wind up in the top 8 due to intra-8 selections.

[Alan Anderson]

Originally Posted by fredliu168

IDo you think it is un-gp to not show up for a match intentionally and possibly affect your alliance at that qualification match.

Such an action would be neither gracious nor professional. You would be hurting the other members of your alliance, and you would be doing less than your best on purpose. The answer should be obvious, and the question should not need to be asked.

[MCahoon]

Originally Posted by fredliu168

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If you were to intentionally forfeit the next qualification match by not showing up and not sending a representative from your team, you would be definitely outside of the alliance captain selections, and would likely be selected by the number 1 or 2 or 3 alliance (2nd pick) making it to the finals or possibly winning.

Do you think the number 1, 2 or 3 alliance would select that team after such behavior?

[SL8]

Originally Posted by MCahoon

Do you think the number 1, 2 or 3 alliance would select that team after such behavior?

Although I highly disagree with the posting of the question, I would like to point out that it was a hypothetical question and that he wanted answers from others on CD.

[Al Skierkiewicz]

Things like this tend to get around, quickly! It is unlikely that many teams will look at this favorably but you never know it could happen. I certainly have seen a lot over the years.

[fredliu168]

I'd like to mention that I do not mentor or am not associated with a FRC team. I just wanted to see people's opinions on this matter.

[SL8]

Originally Posted by fredliu168

I'd like to mention that I do not mentor or am not associated with a FRC team. I just wanted to see people's opinions on this matter.

Your role says that you are a mentor.
And you mentor 478.

[fredliu168]

Originally Posted by SL8

Your role says that you are a mentor.
And you mentor 478.

It's a FTC team. And no, I am not intending to use this for FTC.

[SL8]

Originally Posted by fredliu168

It's a FTC team. And no, I am not intending to use this for FTC.

So you're still a mentor right?

[fredliu168]

Originally Posted by SL8

So you're still a mentor right?

Yes I am.

[SL8]

Originally Posted by fredliu168

Yes I am.

OK, I'm lucid again. Back to the topic.

[fredliu168]

Ok clearly forfeiting the match and affecting your alliance partners is un-gp. What if, your alliance partners during the match is (following my previous example) 1114 and 217, and they were facing 3 robots that could not possibly beat them even 2v3.

What is the opinion on forfeiting the match now, considering the match will be a guarenteed victory anyways for your alliance partners.

[Billfred]

Murphy and his laws frown upon such scheming. The match where you no-show with 1114 and 217 is the match where 1114 catches the overpass and tips, somehow pinning down the two balls to prevent 217 from hurdling.

As Vanilla Ice put it, anything less than the best is a felony.