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Re: mic on coaches?

"whatever happens on the field, stays on the field"

my definition of GP is "you compete like crazy ON THE FIELD, but respect the other teams OFF THE FIELD"

just liek some teams help their oponants during time outs other teams disrespect their oponiants on the field, which frankly, im fine with.
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Re: mic on coaches?

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other teams disrespect their oponiants on the field, which frankly, im fine with.
I don't quite understand what you mean by that. Sometimes you need to work together with the opposite alliance. What if two robots get stuck together? We've communicated before cross-arena with an opposing team to get unstuck. Granted, it was to get us back to scoring but it was still teamwork. Yes, I try to win matches, but you don't want to disrespect opponents......just get on their nerves an awful lot!
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Re: mic on coaches?

Those planning on recording their alliance zone conversations should get permission from the event directors first. There are rules against communication devices, and it should be made clear that this is recording, not transmitting to someone else. Also, radio communication is prohibited so as to not interfere with the field controls. You would either need to get the radio channel cleared by the technical folks, or use a self-contained recorder.
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Re: mic on coaches?

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just liek some teams help their oponants during time outs other teams disrespect their oponiants on the field, which frankly, im fine with.
Competing like crazy on the field is not the same as disrespecting opponents on the field. At the IRI 2007 this past summer, I had the privilege of watching teams competing like crazy with each other with respect for the matches, the teams involved, and the competition, itself. It was a fierce, intense, and thrilling competition and it was filled with respect.

Disrespect isn't anything I would like to see promoted or accepted anywhere in FIRST or in FIRST teams, on the field or off.
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I would love to hear what the coaches do during the finals at atlanta. I know they couldn't broadcast it live but maybe record it and put out a sorta documentary latter. At glr, there must have been 3 or more woodie flowers winners out on the field.
So, a question to team coaches. Would wearing a mic cramp your style? Yes, of course it would but would it be overwhelming? What if you could hear yourself first then decide to turn in tape ?
At the CT Regional, a group followed 5 teams around on camera for a video they were making for the new science center. My team was one of those teams. They decided to focus everything through one perspective, so they chose me as the main person on my team since I'm the team president and the drive team coach.

After following me (and the rest of the team) for Friday and half of Saturday with their cameras and microphones, they finally hooked me up to a wireless mic for alliance selections and elimination rounds. I think they took it off of me just before the finals, which they probably regretted since we were pretty energetic through the finals.

I have to say, the mic didn't bother me; I barely noticed it. I acted like I always do while coaching. I'm sure a few silly things probably ended up on there... like our conversation before a match about if the mic was recording all the time or not. It would be interesting to listen to a tape of all the funny stuff that happened that day, and the energy as the day progressed.
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just liek some teams help their oponants during time outs other teams disrespect their oponiants on the field, which frankly, im fine with.
Hopefully this means, "During the heat of competition, someone may say something disrespectful about an opponent on the field."

That I can understand: "That %(&#% just tipped us!" While they'd never call the team a name to their face, it wouldn't be unexpected that it might slip out. This might be a good reason for not publicizing alliance zone conversations.
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Re: mic on coaches?

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Hopefully this means, "During the heat of competition, someone may say something disrespectful about an opponent on the field."

That I can understand: "That %(&#% just tipped us!" While they'd never call the team a name to their face, it wouldn't be unexpected that it might slip out. This might be a good reason for not publicizing alliance zone conversations.
That's what I thought he meant as well. I can see a number of things being said in the heat of the moment that would never be said directly to that team or any other.

One of the many things that popped into my head (along with the one Gary posted)
"Leave them alone, they can't do &%@$."

I would never say this to anyone (even on my own team) off the playing field, but I can imagine myself saying it to my drivers or other drivers while coaching if they were playing defense on a robot that was not the top priority. If I tried to think of a way to say this in GP terms the match might be over by the time I said another word.
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Re: mic on coaches?

I think this would be a great idea. If it can't be taped then it should be left unsaid. Vulgarities have no place in FIRST. It doesn't matter the situation. I don't care if you lost in the last second. I don't care if your robot just broke in half. It doesn't matter. There is still no reason to curse. It is just unnecessary and outright rude.

With that being said, I think it would be interesting to hear what the opposing alliance was saying throughout the match.
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I was mic'd in CT.
I totally forgot about it until I was back in the pits.
So no, it did not "cramp my style".
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Competing like crazy on the field is not the same as disrespecting opponents on the field. At the IRI 2007 this summer, I had the privilege of watching teams competing like crazy with each other with respect for the matches, the teams involved, and the competition, itself. It was a fierce, intense, and thrilling competition and it was filled with respect.

Disrespect isn't anything I would like to see promoted or accepted anywhere in FIRST or in FIRST teams, on the field or off.
i've heard mentors say, "go ram that robot as hard as you can". i'm pretty sure thats disrespecting another teams robot, by telling your driver to drive into that opposing machine as hard as you can for the sole purpose to stop it from functioning. (NOTE: i chose my words very carefully there, im pretty sure a few coaches have something more severe planned for that opposing robot.). and i don't think the FIRST community is ready to see the true nature of what happens on the field.

as i said before, "what happens on the field, should STAY on the field"
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Re: mic on coaches?

It would be good but i mean this is a student event and who knows what the coach will say at any given time
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Re: mic on coaches?

That would be amazingly cool, even though it may be construed as against the rules. One of the rules is that you can't have any communications devices on.
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Re: mic on coaches?

I just realized I never posted my opinion on wearing a mic as a coach. I coached the majority of our matches this year, and I'm pretty sure I didn't say anything I wouldn't have wanted anyone in the arena to hear.

Having said that, I would be against putting live mics on coaches during matches. I don't think this would add anything to the coverage. The mics used in television sports coverages are typically used in recap segments, I have never seen them used live. The reason for this is much of a coaches banter in any sport is not particularly exciting to the average spectator.

I would have no problem wearing a mic during the match, and I am actually putting this on my list of ideas for next year right below a fixed upper deck camera for our matches. I think it would be helpful addition to reviews of our matches and the strategies employed and their effectiveness.
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i've heard mentors say, "go ram that robot as hard as you can". i'm pretty sure thats disrespecting another teams robot, by telling your driver to drive into that opposing machine as hard as you can for the sole purpose to stop it from functioning. (NOTE: i chose my words very carefully there, im pretty sure a few coaches have something more severe planned for that opposing robot.). and i don't think the FIRST community is ready to see the true nature of what happens on the field.

as i said before, "what happens on the field, should STAY on the field"
If I was ever told that by a coach, I would SERIOUSLY think twice before doing so. One of the things I love most about being a driver is the massive amount of respect that is shown on the field between drive teams (99% of the time). For those of you who were at GLR and saw our match against 201, their defense played on us was unbelievably well thought-out and impossible to play through. It was clean, penalty-free defense, and I talked to their driver afterward to congratulate him on it (and pray that we weren't against them in elims). Something that is very commonplace when teams cross each other to get their robots off the field is a quick "hey man, awesome match" "yeah you did great" and etc. Of the friends I've made driving, probably just as many of them were made driving against somebody as there were driving with them.

That being said, last year we were subject to a team that was explicitly told by their coach to ram us as hard as they could and push us over the side wall. It happens. Even though their drivers came up and apologized after the fact, it was still a rough move. Things will happen in the heat of the match. I've heard drivers yelling at their coaches (when it's supposed to be the other way around), coaches from other teams yelling degradingly at their partners, you name it. While I think it would be interesting for more people to be exposed to the high-stress environment behind the glass, I don't think the majority of FIRSTers (think of the parents and such) would benefit from it.
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If I was ever told that by a coach, I would SERIOUSLY think twice before doing so. One of the things I love most about being a driver is the massive amount of respect that is shown on the field between drive teams (99% of the time). For those of you who were at GLR and saw our match against 201, their defense played on us was unbelievably well thought-out and impossible to play through. It was clean, penalty-free defense, and I talked to their driver afterward to congratulate him on it (and pray that we weren't against them in elims). Something that is very commonplace when teams cross each other to get their robots off the field is a quick "hey man, awesome match" "yeah you did great" and etc. Of the friends I've made driving, probably just as many of them were made driving against somebody as there were driving with them.

That being said, last year we were subject to a team that was explicitly told by their coach to ram us as hard as they could and push us over the side wall. It happens. Even though their drivers came up and apologized after the fact, it was still a rough move. Things will happen in the heat of the match. I've heard drivers yelling at their coaches (when it's supposed to be the other way around), coaches from other teams yelling degradingly at their partners, you name it. While I think it would be interesting for more people to be exposed to the high-stress environment behind the glass, I don't think the majority of FIRSTers (think of the parents and such) would benefit from it.
second this statement...well atleast the last part of the second paragraph

this is exactly the reason why there shouldn't be mic's on coaches in my opinion.
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