Predictions to win 2008 Frc Championship

[Elgin Clock]

Originally Posted by T3_1565

speaking of which.... when do they get annouced??

Sometime before next Thursday I would hope.

[Joe Ross]

Originally Posted by T3_1565

speaking of which.... when do they get annouced??

In 2002 through 2004 the divisions were released the Tuesday 9 days before the beginning of the championship. That ended up ranging anywhere from before the last regional ended (2003) to 10 days after the last regional ended (2002).

In 2005, the divisions were released on a Monday, 10 days before the beginning of the championship (9 days after the end of the last regionals).

In 2006, the divisions were released on a Friday, 13 days before the beginning of the championship (13 days after the end of the last regionals).

In 2007, the divisions were released on a Wednesday, 8 days before the beginning of the championship (4 days after the end of the last regionals).

[ttldomination]

i think we can expect sometime late this week...

[Cory]

Originally Posted by 1075guy

My prediction states that if 1114 and (2056 or 217) end up on the same division, its more or less game over for everyone else. the 1114/2056/x combination at Waterloo/GTR has proved unstoppable for 2 years running.

EDIT: Also, I think 2056 is the only team in history to go 4 for 4 at regionals. (As in winning the first 4 regionals they ever competed in)

Kinda like how 1114 and 330 ended up in the same division last year, and everyone thought it was over?

It's never over till it's over. Who thought anyone besides 330 and company had a snowball's chance in hell of taking down Pink and Beatty last year?

[James Mullenax]

haha I was just looking through some of our videos... check this out...

http://www.team1629.com/team/node/59

If we only could do this consistantly it would be great lol

just thought id share with all...

[waialua359]

Originally Posted by 1075guy

I stand corrected then. Though I won't be surprised if 2056 surpasses 254's impressive record. Winning 5 out of their first 6 events (only event they've competed in that they didnt win was 2007 Championship) is VERY impressive. Though its probably been somewhat aided by the fact that every single time, they've been paired with 1114.

(The events i'm referring to are 2007 Waterloo, 2007 GTR, 2007 IRI, 2007 CMP, 2008 Waterloo, 2008 GTR.)

The key part in your statement is being with 1114.
The Cheesy Poofs havent always been with the more dominant partner. In fact, they WERE the dominant partner.
We would know as we were their teammates in 2001 and 2002 at SVR when we won gold.
Nobody's record as of this point is more impressive than the Poofs, IMO. Its not to say that 71, 111, 217,330 and others that started way back aren't just as good. But their track record stands out and speaks for itself, considering the no. of regionals they've been to. Furthermore, there are so many teams gunning for teams like them and 25. To continue to win regionals is outright impressive.
Cory made a good point that anyone at CMP can be beat. How the heck have they not won at CMP yet?
Its all about the alliances. No ONE robot wins. Its the strength of an alliance. On paper, alliances may look strong. However, the end match results dont always reflect that. No disrespect to any particular team. Just pointing out and reiterating the fact that history has shown that any good alliance can win.
We've had 2 regionals this year where an 8th seed won. 2007 CMP showed that any seed, including the 8th seed can win.
Why hasn't Tiger Woods won every single major since 1999 where he was clearly the best golfer in the world EVERY year since then?
That's because "shift" happens.

My favorite is still 1114................................


































with us as their 3rd alliance partner.

[Akash Rastogi]

Originally Posted by waialua359

with us as their 3rd alliance partner.

Haha, I'm just hoping we get picked by someone who knows how to have fun. That's the most important part to me right now.

[TD78]

Originally Posted by lilstogi11

Haha, I'm just hoping we get picked by someone who knows how to have fun. That's the most important part to me right now.

Right on! I want our alliance to start singing a little Journey during the elims to stay loose.

"Don't stop, believin'...."

[Guy Davidson]

Originally Posted by 1075guy

My prediction states that if 1114 and (2056 or 217) end up on the same division, its more or less game over for everyone else. the 1114/2056/x combination at Waterloo/GTR has proved unstoppable for 2 years running.

While you're right that 1114/2056 have proven themselves to be quite a tandem at Waterloo and GTR this year, I'd like to remind you that we'll be competing in Atlanta, and not up north. With all due respect to the competition at Waterloo and GTR, the competition in Atlanta will be several notches higher. Would you take the 3rd, 4th, and 23rd best robots at Waterloo or GTR over the same combo in Atlanta? Would it even be close? I don't think it will. Many other regional winning alliances this year (67/503, 39/987, 254/100, 254/233, etc., etc., etc.) are very powerful and just as poised to strike.

I believe that Simbot SS is the best Overdrive robot out there right now, at least as far as I have seen. However, this is not a competition one robot can dominate. If you want a list of robots that I'd bet on putting high scores, look at the Offensive Power Rankings thread. If you want to talk about favorite to win their division, and maybe even the whole thing, talk to me Saturday at noon

Originally Posted by waialua359

**response to Guy**
I actually like your reasoning better!
I will throw something else in the mix. Team 25 and 968 knew that was our strategy as we knew both of them dont place balls, unless by chance. When you get a chance to see the vids later, you will see them also try and knock our balls down once placed. Well,....... they were unsuccessful as we parked our bots right in front of it, pushing backwards at times. Had they had us as a third teammate, we would have placed the ball....hehe... (nah, highly unlikely)
I think the challenge will be for the 3rd bot in being able to knock balls down, as opposing teams will be doing a lot of "parking" as a strategy in the heated last seconds of a close match.
I think we both agree that the 3rd bot is more important than what has been said here. AND that's why your bot should easily make the elimination matches at CMP. Depending on how refs let matches play out, I'd hate to go up against 2024 also.

Now I absolutely agree with you. It will come down to driver skill and strategy.

[waialua359]

Originally Posted by RollinTDollin

Right on! I want our alliance to start singing a little Journey during the elims to stay loose.

"Don't stop, believin'...."

Based on your robot design that should have been copyright protected or paid royalties for with all of the similar designs, how about....."Wheels in the sky keep on turning."

[James Mullenax]

Originally Posted by RollinTDollin

Right on! I want our alliance to start singing a little Journey during the elims to stay loose.

"Don't stop, believin'...."

In 2006 the year team 1629 won Chesapeake, Queen did very well for us lol

"Under Pressure", "Another One Bites the Dust" and the list goes on

[dtengineering]

Originally Posted by waialua359

I think its an understatement to say that the Cheesy Poofs have been long due since their inception year, 1999!
By the way, congrats on the WFA.

Well, having had the pleasure of seeing both the Poofs and Simbotics in action the past few years, I'll grant you that they are both outstanding and deserving teams.

What is unfortunate, in a way, is that Einstein won't see the top 12 teams competing. Sure... there won't be any slackers on the field... but while it is possible to have the number one and number two robot from any division on an alliance, the chances of the number three robot being there are pretty close to zero.

It would be interesting to see what would happen if, after the divisional championships were completed, there was a mechanism to pick the very best possible alliance from each division... which would likely be different from the winning alliance... so that the top twelve teams (or as close to it as humanly possible) were competing for the top overall title.

It could be a vote by the teams in the division to pick the top three machines/teams. It could be a panel of the judges picks the top alliance, or it could be that the panel of judges advises a FIRST celebrity like Dean (representing Curie) or Woodie (reprsenting Newton, for instance) who makes the final call and then cheers for that division on Einstein... or even gets involved as a "coach" on the field.

Or maybe we just need a sponsor to come forward and put on a "pro-bowl" type of all star event after Championships on an invitation only basis. The top alliances could be arranged geographically, or by sponsor (GM vs. NASA... what a match!) Alliances could even be made up of four or five teams, and an alliance "General Manager" would determine who played in any given match... just to shake things up a bit.

Of course that would take the focus off the Chairman's as being the top award, and it is important to keep in mind that while winning is nice, and seeing the very best teams duke it out is fun... that isn't really the point of this whole crazy thing we call FIRST.

So while I'm looking forward to cheering for whoever wins (in person for the first time!) I'll stick to my prediction that 1114 will be one of the members of that alliance.

Jason

[TD78]

Originally Posted by dtengineering

Or maybe we just need a sponsor to come forward and put on a "pro-bowl" type of all star event after Championships on an invitation only basis.

There is something very similar to this right now. It's IRI! Nearly every qual match last year seemed to involve alliances you would typically see on Einstein. It was an awesome experience.

[popnbrown]

I say 103 and 2344 get in there somewhere.

[dtengineering]

Originally Posted by RollinTDollin

There is something very similar to this right now. It's IRI! Nearly every qual match last year seemed to involve alliances you would typically see on Einstein. It was an awesome experience.

Hmm... I was, of course, aware of IRI but I hadn't looked at the team list in detail before. I do recognize a lot of very competitive teams taking part in the competition and had not realized just how far some of those teams will travel for an off-season event.

Impressive.

Jason