Galileo Division 2008

Joe Ross · #1 12-04-2008, 12:20

I ran through 200 simulated qualifications (all 100 matches, using the FIRST match generator). I used each team's best opr for their contribution to a match.

I know 1114 is by far the best robot this year, but I wanted to see what their chances are of seeding first. They went undefeated in all but 20 trials, but only seeded first 73 times. Here are the statistics for all teams:

QPs:

Code:

Team	min	max	average	median	undefeated
1114	12	14	13.81	14	180
103	8	14	12.37	12	77
217	8	14	11.705	12	50
40	6	14	11.385	12	39
330	6	14	11.545	12	49
254	2	14	10.83	10.5	31
494	4	14	10.56	10	17
25	6	14	10.535	10	21
1717	2	14	10.96	12	31
121	4	14	9.795	10	18
1629	2	14	10.29	10	20
234	2	14	9.29	10	10
469	4	14	9.61	10	13
343	2	14	8.43	8	5
65	0	14	8.39	8	3
176	0	14	8.415	8	3
195	2	14	8.435	8	4
1540	2	14	8.895	10	8
88	1	14	7.885	8	3
291	0	14	7.55	8	2
1450	2	14	7.915	8	3
2468	2	14	8.285	8	4
70	0	14	7.92	8	4
2062	2	14	8.26	8	2
716	0	14	7.97	8	1
1503	0	14	8.24	8	6
1816	2	14	7.76	8	2
932	2	14	7.705	8	2
48	0	14	6.88	6	2
384	0	12	7.155	8	0
694	0	14	7.48	8	3
148	2	14	8.82	9	7
1089	0	14	7.525	8	5
316	0	14	6.7	6	2
548	2	12	6.84	6	0
2165	0	14	7.345	8	4
1676	2	14	7.34	8	3
364	0	13	6.885	6	0
84	0	12	6.17	6	0
1366	0	12	6.92	8	0
134	0	13	6.07	6	0
1023	0	14	6.59	6	2
2487	0	13	6.97	7	0
180	0	12	6.02	6	0
812	0	12	6.29	6	0
2237	0	12	6.73	6.5	0
2638	0	14	7.08	8	1
425	0	11	6.505	6	0
2340	0	14	6.65	6	1
894	0	12	6.13	6	0
1319	0	12	6.36	6	0
2046	2	14	9.28	10	4
2549	0	14	6.265	6	1
2564	0	12	6.605	6	0
980	0	13	5.925	6	0
612	0	12	5.795	6	0
1038	0	12	5.715	6	0
1983	0	14	7.16	8	3
8	0	12	5.335	6	0
302	0	14	5.18	6	1
457	0	12	5.205	6	0
1739	0	12	5.555	6	0
1758	0	14	5.595	6	1
597	0	11	5.8	6	0
2599	0	14	5.52	6	1
2023	0	12	5.545	6	0
2437	0	14	5.77	6	1
399	0	14	5.2	6	1
1296	0	10	4.74	4	0
1212	0	12	5.07	4	0
1138	0	14	5.615	6	1
2423	0	12	4.865	4	0
1390	0	12	4.52	4	0
226	0	8	4.015	4	0
1885	0	12	5.585	6	0
168	0	12	4.315	4	0
2354	0	10	4.085	4	0
1254	0	10	3.95	4	0
115	0	14	4.77	4	1
839	0	10	4.595	4	0
1523	0	12	3.79	4	0
2621	0	12	3.31	4	0
1576	0	10	2.93	2	0
509	0	8	2.94	2	0
1595	0	8	2.25	2	0

Seeds:

Code:

Team	Min	Max	average	median	1 seed	top 8
1114	1	9	2.43	2	73	199
103	1	27	5.475	4	38	160
217	1	30	8.435	6	21	128
40	1	49	9.935	7	11	114
330	1	45	9.155	6	21	123
254	1	75	12.825	9.5	8	88
494	1	60	14.74	12.5	4	72
25	1	47	13.76	12	4	83
1717	1	72	14.645	11.5	1	75
121	1	61	18.685	15	6	46
1629	2	73	17.955	16	0	51
234	1	75	22.2	16.5	4	37
469	2	65	20.725	17.5	0	42
343	1	77	28.885	27	3	23
65	3	82	28.045	26	0	18
176	2	81	28.525	27	0	12
195	2	77	28.205	27	0	22
1540	2	80	28.36	24	0	27
88	1	82	31.865	29	2	15
291	2	83	35.57	30	0	12
1450	3	81	36.405	34	0	6
2468	3	78	33.735	33	0	10
70	2	83	31.65	29	0	17
2062	3	80	33.55	29.5	0	12
716	4	83	33.94	32	0	11
1503	1	84	33.65	32	1	11
1816	2	79	37.72	35.5	0	8
932	3	82	36.885	34	0	6
48	4	82	40.82	42	0	6
384	5	83	38.92	35	0	10
694	2	84	38.01	36	0	8
148	1	79	25.695	22.5	1	27
1089	3	82	38.885	36.5	0	10
316	3	84	42.95	44	0	5
548	7	81	42.74	43	0	3
2165	2	84	41.76	40	0	9
1676	2	83	41.55	41	0	8
364	5	82	41.26	42	0	8
84	8	85	46.415	46	0	1
1366	5	84	43.39	40	0	3
134	5	84	47.505	49	0	2
1023	1	85	45.66	46	1	4
2487	3	83	45.41	42	0	4
180	8	84	48.06	47	0	1
812	5	82	47.14	48.5	0	2
2237	8	83	46.435	45	0	2
2638	2	85	44.525	43	0	4
425	9	84	45.13	44	0	0
2340	6	85	47.515	51	0	5
894	8	84	49.915	51.5	0	1
1319	6	84	49.06	49.5	0	2
2046	3	76	25.335	22	0	22
2549	5	85	50.57	54	0	2
2564	10	84	47.96	48.5	0	0
980	5	85	52.055	54.5	0	1
612	8	84	51.675	53	0	3
1038	7	85	53.68	54	0	1
1983	1	82	42.585	40.5	1	5
8	6	84	54.195	56.5	0	1
302	4	85	55.815	57	0	2
457	9	85	56.04	59	0	0
1739	9	85	56.61	59	0	0
1758	3	85	56.135	58.5	0	2
597	10	84	51.94	53	0	0
2599	4	85	57.395	59	0	1
2023	10	85	56.715	57	0	0
2437	3	84	54.875	58	0	2
399	4	85	56.345	58	0	1
1296	18	85	62.51	67	0	0
1212	6	85	60.24	66	0	1
1138	6	84	54.745	55.5	0	1
2423	14	85	62.625	66.5	0	0
1390	9	85	63.64	68	0	0
226	30	85	65.665	68	0	0
1885	9	84	56.97	58	0	0
168	7	85	62.575	67	0	1
2354	19	85	67.765	73	0	0
1254	18	85	67.95	71.5	0	0
115	3	85	58.69	63	0	1
839	20	85	63.065	67	0	0
1523	10	85	69.95	74	0	0
2621	9	85	73.095	77	0	0
1576	25	85	75.86	79.5	0	0
509	32	85	74.04	79	0	0
1595	35	85	78.985	82	0	0

Tottanka · #2 12-04-2008, 12:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Ross

I ran through 200 simulated qualifications (all 100 matches, using the FIRST match generator). I used each team's best opr for their contribution to a match.

I know 1114 is by far the best robot this year, but I wanted to see what their chances are of seeding first. They went undefeated in all but 20 trials, but only seeded first 73 times. Here are the statistics for all teams:

QPs:

Code:

Team	min	max	average	median	undefeated
1114	12	14	13.81	14	180
103	8	14	12.37	12	77
217	8	14	11.705	12	50
40	6	14	11.385	12	39
330	6	14	11.545	12	49
254	2	14	10.83	10.5	31
494	4	14	10.56	10	17
25	6	14	10.535	10	21
1717	2	14	10.96	12	31
121	4	14	9.795	10	18
1629	2	14	10.29	10	20
234	2	14	9.29	10	10
469	4	14	9.61	10	13
343	2	14	8.43	8	5
65	0	14	8.39	8	3
176	0	14	8.415	8	3
195	2	14	8.435	8	4
1540	2	14	8.895	10	8
88	1	14	7.885	8	3
291	0	14	7.55	8	2
1450	2	14	7.915	8	3
2468	2	14	8.285	8	4
70	0	14	7.92	8	4
2062	2	14	8.26	8	2
716	0	14	7.97	8	1
1503	0	14	8.24	8	6
1816	2	14	7.76	8	2
932	2	14	7.705	8	2
48	0	14	6.88	6	2
384	0	12	7.155	8	0
694	0	14	7.48	8	3
148	2	14	8.82	9	7
1089	0	14	7.525	8	5
316	0	14	6.7	6	2
548	2	12	6.84	6	0
2165	0	14	7.345	8	4
1676	2	14	7.34	8	3
364	0	13	6.885	6	0
84	0	12	6.17	6	0
1366	0	12	6.92	8	0
134	0	13	6.07	6	0
1023	0	14	6.59	6	2
2487	0	13	6.97	7	0
180	0	12	6.02	6	0
812	0	12	6.29	6	0
2237	0	12	6.73	6.5	0
2638	0	14	7.08	8	1
425	0	11	6.505	6	0
2340	0	14	6.65	6	1
894	0	12	6.13	6	0
1319	0	12	6.36	6	0
2046	2	14	9.28	10	4
2549	0	14	6.265	6	1
2564	0	12	6.605	6	0
980	0	13	5.925	6	0
612	0	12	5.795	6	0
1038	0	12	5.715	6	0
1983	0	14	7.16	8	3
8	0	12	5.335	6	0
302	0	14	5.18	6	1
457	0	12	5.205	6	0
1739	0	12	5.555	6	0
1758	0	14	5.595	6	1
597	0	11	5.8	6	0
2599	0	14	5.52	6	1
2023	0	12	5.545	6	0
2437	0	14	5.77	6	1
399	0	14	5.2	6	1
1296	0	10	4.74	4	0
1212	0	12	5.07	4	0
1138	0	14	5.615	6	1
2423	0	12	4.865	4	0
1390	0	12	4.52	4	0
226	0	8	4.015	4	0
1885	0	12	5.585	6	0
168	0	12	4.315	4	0
2354	0	10	4.085	4	0
1254	0	10	3.95	4	0
115	0	14	4.77	4	1
839	0	10	4.595	4	0
1523	0	12	3.79	4	0
2621	0	12	3.31	4	0
1576	0	10	2.93	2	0
509	0	8	2.94	2	0
1595	0	8	2.25	2	0

Seeds:

Code:

Team	Min	Max	average	median	1 seed	top 8
1114	1	9	2.43	2	73	199
103	1	27	5.475	4	38	160
217	1	30	8.435	6	21	128
40	1	49	9.935	7	11	114
330	1	45	9.155	6	21	123
254	1	75	12.825	9.5	8	88
494	1	60	14.74	12.5	4	72
25	1	47	13.76	12	4	83
1717	1	72	14.645	11.5	1	75
121	1	61	18.685	15	6	46
1629	2	73	17.955	16	0	51
234	1	75	22.2	16.5	4	37
469	2	65	20.725	17.5	0	42
343	1	77	28.885	27	3	23
65	3	82	28.045	26	0	18
176	2	81	28.525	27	0	12
195	2	77	28.205	27	0	22
1540	2	80	28.36	24	0	27
88	1	82	31.865	29	2	15
291	2	83	35.57	30	0	12
1450	3	81	36.405	34	0	6
2468	3	78	33.735	33	0	10
70	2	83	31.65	29	0	17
2062	3	80	33.55	29.5	0	12
716	4	83	33.94	32	0	11
1503	1	84	33.65	32	1	11
1816	2	79	37.72	35.5	0	8
932	3	82	36.885	34	0	6
48	4	82	40.82	42	0	6
384	5	83	38.92	35	0	10
694	2	84	38.01	36	0	8
148	1	79	25.695	22.5	1	27
1089	3	82	38.885	36.5	0	10
316	3	84	42.95	44	0	5
548	7	81	42.74	43	0	3
2165	2	84	41.76	40	0	9
1676	2	83	41.55	41	0	8
364	5	82	41.26	42	0	8
84	8	85	46.415	46	0	1
1366	5	84	43.39	40	0	3
134	5	84	47.505	49	0	2
1023	1	85	45.66	46	1	4
2487	3	83	45.41	42	0	4
180	8	84	48.06	47	0	1
812	5	82	47.14	48.5	0	2
2237	8	83	46.435	45	0	2
2638	2	85	44.525	43	0	4
425	9	84	45.13	44	0	0
2340	6	85	47.515	51	0	5
894	8	84	49.915	51.5	0	1
1319	6	84	49.06	49.5	0	2
2046	3	76	25.335	22	0	22
2549	5	85	50.57	54	0	2
2564	10	84	47.96	48.5	0	0
980	5	85	52.055	54.5	0	1
612	8	84	51.675	53	0	3
1038	7	85	53.68	54	0	1
1983	1	82	42.585	40.5	1	5
8	6	84	54.195	56.5	0	1
302	4	85	55.815	57	0	2
457	9	85	56.04	59	0	0
1739	9	85	56.61	59	0	0
1758	3	85	56.135	58.5	0	2
597	10	84	51.94	53	0	0
2599	4	85	57.395	59	0	1
2023	10	85	56.715	57	0	0
2437	3	84	54.875	58	0	2
399	4	85	56.345	58	0	1
1296	18	85	62.51	67	0	0
1212	6	85	60.24	66	0	1
1138	6	84	54.745	55.5	0	1
2423	14	85	62.625	66.5	0	0
1390	9	85	63.64	68	0	0
226	30	85	65.665	68	0	0
1885	9	84	56.97	58	0	0
168	7	85	62.575	67	0	1
2354	19	85	67.765	73	0	0
1254	18	85	67.95	71.5	0	0
115	3	85	58.69	63	0	1
839	20	85	63.065	67	0	0
1523	10	85	69.95	74	0	0
2621	9	85	73.095	77	0	0
1576	25	85	75.86	79.5	0	0
509	32	85	74.04	79	0	0
1595	35	85	78.985	82	0	0

wow
do you have more info about the one where 1114 were not in the top 8?

Joe Ross · #3 12-04-2008, 23:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tottanka

wow
do you have more info about the one where 1114 were not in the top 8?

Here some of the matches that 1114 lost

Code:

Red1	Red2	Red3	Blue1	Blue2	Blue3	Red	Blue
1114	180	115	103	343	494	113	127
384	1114	84	103	121	469	127	128
716	40	1717	115	302	1114	113	109
84	494	103	1114	1254	812	117	107
217	494	1319	1114	839	2621	109	93
217	254	176	1114	316	226	124	112

OompaLoompa · #4 14-04-2008, 10:14

adding to my previous post, a D robot can also be enhanced if they can block shots. We've been discussing ways to play this strategy on our team and i think it would be highly beneficial. Not only could a defensive robot play keepaway and knock off the ball, but if they could block shots that could help out a lot too.

65_Xero_Huskie · #5 14-04-2008, 11:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by OompaLoompa

adding to my previous post, a D robot can also be enhanced if they can block shots. We've been discussing ways to play this strategy on our team and i think it would be highly beneficial. Not only could a defensive robot play keepaway and knock off the ball, but if they could block shots that could help out a lot too.

Im sure that blocking shots would be a very viable strategy.
BUT.
If you want to put your robot in front of another when they are shooting at 7-10lb, 40' ball at about 5-10mph....I would highly request that u think about that again

Guy Davidson · #6 14-04-2008, 12:04

Exactly what I was worried about. I've seen a team (1359, I believe) succesfuly block a shot during the Las Vegas regional finals. I'd just make sure your robot is designed robustly enough to take that shot before you try blocking it.

65_Xero_Huskie · #7 14-04-2008, 12:11

Plus, if you try to block a shot while the player is trying to shoot. You have to have a VERY high robot. If you are to close to them and they bump into you while they are trying to shoot, you will get the penalty. :O

Alexa Stott · #8 14-04-2008, 12:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by 65_Xero_Huskie

Plus, if you try to block a shot while the player is trying to shoot. You have to have a VERY high robot. If you are to close to them and they bump into you while they are trying to shoot, you will get the penalty. :O

Also, you'd have to find a way to keep a low CoG while your robot is up high enough to block shots.

AcesPease · #9 14-04-2008, 17:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alexa Stott

Also, you'd have to find a way to keep a low CoG while your robot is up high enough to block shots.

Hmmm....

We could do that, we have about 90 lbs below 8 inches high and our arm goes very high. 1 and 1/4" tube construction is pretty tough. If we find ourselves in a tough match against a team that "fires" the ball over the overpass we will have to give it a try.

There is a caveat: This will only be possible against a very few shooters who fire at a little distance from the overpass. Other shooters get right up against the overpass when they shoot and it would be nearly impossible to block without interfering with their hurdling move.

So much of what is being talked about here depends on the qualifying match ups. Can't wait to find out who is playing who.

GaryVoshol · #10 14-04-2008, 16:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by 65_Xero_Huskie

Plus, if you try to block a shot while the player is trying to shoot. You have to have a VERY high robot. If you are to close to them and they bump into you while they are trying to shoot, you will get the penalty. :O

Wrong on both counts. Ask Foley Freeze.

If the shooting robot is low, you only have to be taller than that.

If the shooting robot bumps into the blocker, that is a "bump to pass" signal. Impeding may or may not apply, depending on if there is a clear path or if the blocker robot is moving side to side. It is hurdling interference only if the blocking robot bumps the shooter, not the other way around.

XaulZan11 · #11 14-04-2008, 16:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaryVoshol

If the shooting robot bumps into the blocker, that is a "bump to pass" signal. Impeding may or may not apply, depending on if there is a clear path or if the blocker robot is moving side to side. It is hurdling interference only if the blocking robot bumps the shooter, not the other way around.

Correct, but if the defender/blocker bumps into the hurdler, the defender gets a penalty for interferring with hurdling (provided the hurdler is moving foward or the ball is higher than the lane dividor). While it is risky and requires some good drivers not to run into the shooters, it can be very effective. One of the best plays I've seen this year was 537 block both 1625's and 1730's potential hurdles. It was very cool.

nuggetsyl · #12 14-04-2008, 19:54

IS anyone going to make a story this year for galileo???

cziggy343 · #13 14-04-2008, 20:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by nuggetsyl

IS anyone going to make a story this year for galileo???

are you volunteering for that? i have too much stuff to do

65_Xero_Huskie · #14 14-04-2008, 21:49

So, i was thinking while at work today.
Who thinks were gonna see a score of 160+ ?
*Raises hand*

cziggy343 · #15 14-04-2008, 22:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by 65_Xero_Huskie

So, i was thinking while at work today.
Who thinks were gonna see a score of 160+ ?
*Raises hand*

*raises hand in unison*

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