Galileo Division 2008

[Tottanka]

Originally Posted by Joe Ross

I ran through 200 simulated qualifications (all 100 matches, using the FIRST match generator). I used each team's best opr for their contribution to a match.

I know 1114 is by far the best robot this year, but I wanted to see what their chances are of seeding first. They went undefeated in all but 20 trials, but only seeded first 73 times. Here are the statistics for all teams:

QPs:

Team	min	max	average	median	undefeated
1114	12	14	13.81	14	180
103	8	14	12.37	12	77
217	8	14	11.705	12	50
40	6	14	11.385	12	39
330	6	14	11.545	12	49
254	2	14	10.83	10.5	31
494	4	14	10.56	10	17
25	6	14	10.535	10	21
1717	2	14	10.96	12	31
121	4	14	9.795	10	18
1629	2	14	10.29	10	20
234	2	14	9.29	10	10
469	4	14	9.61	10	13
343	2	14	8.43	8	5
65	0	14	8.39	8	3
176	0	14	8.415	8	3
195	2	14	8.435	8	4
1540	2	14	8.895	10	8
88	1	14	7.885	8	3
291	0	14	7.55	8	2
1450	2	14	7.915	8	3
2468	2	14	8.285	8	4
70	0	14	7.92	8	4
2062	2	14	8.26	8	2
716	0	14	7.97	8	1
1503	0	14	8.24	8	6
1816	2	14	7.76	8	2
932	2	14	7.705	8	2
48	0	14	6.88	6	2
384	0	12	7.155	8	0
694	0	14	7.48	8	3
148	2	14	8.82	9	7
1089	0	14	7.525	8	5
316	0	14	6.7	6	2
548	2	12	6.84	6	0
2165	0	14	7.345	8	4
1676	2	14	7.34	8	3
364	0	13	6.885	6	0
84	0	12	6.17	6	0
1366	0	12	6.92	8	0
134	0	13	6.07	6	0
1023	0	14	6.59	6	2
2487	0	13	6.97	7	0
180	0	12	6.02	6	0
812	0	12	6.29	6	0
2237	0	12	6.73	6.5	0
2638	0	14	7.08	8	1
425	0	11	6.505	6	0
2340	0	14	6.65	6	1
894	0	12	6.13	6	0
1319	0	12	6.36	6	0
2046	2	14	9.28	10	4
2549	0	14	6.265	6	1
2564	0	12	6.605	6	0
980	0	13	5.925	6	0
612	0	12	5.795	6	0
1038	0	12	5.715	6	0
1983	0	14	7.16	8	3
8	0	12	5.335	6	0
302	0	14	5.18	6	1
457	0	12	5.205	6	0
1739	0	12	5.555	6	0
1758	0	14	5.595	6	1
597	0	11	5.8	6	0
2599	0	14	5.52	6	1
2023	0	12	5.545	6	0
2437	0	14	5.77	6	1
399	0	14	5.2	6	1
1296	0	10	4.74	4	0
1212	0	12	5.07	4	0
1138	0	14	5.615	6	1
2423	0	12	4.865	4	0
1390	0	12	4.52	4	0
226	0	8	4.015	4	0
1885	0	12	5.585	6	0
168	0	12	4.315	4	0
2354	0	10	4.085	4	0
1254	0	10	3.95	4	0
115	0	14	4.77	4	1
839	0	10	4.595	4	0
1523	0	12	3.79	4	0
2621	0	12	3.31	4	0
1576	0	10	2.93	2	0
509	0	8	2.94	2	0
1595	0	8	2.25	2	0

Seeds:

Team	Min	Max	average	median	1 seed	top 8
1114	1	9	2.43	2	73	199
103	1	27	5.475	4	38	160
217	1	30	8.435	6	21	128
40	1	49	9.935	7	11	114
330	1	45	9.155	6	21	123
254	1	75	12.825	9.5	8	88
494	1	60	14.74	12.5	4	72
25	1	47	13.76	12	4	83
1717	1	72	14.645	11.5	1	75
121	1	61	18.685	15	6	46
1629	2	73	17.955	16	0	51
234	1	75	22.2	16.5	4	37
469	2	65	20.725	17.5	0	42
343	1	77	28.885	27	3	23
65	3	82	28.045	26	0	18
176	2	81	28.525	27	0	12
195	2	77	28.205	27	0	22
1540	2	80	28.36	24	0	27
88	1	82	31.865	29	2	15
291	2	83	35.57	30	0	12
1450	3	81	36.405	34	0	6
2468	3	78	33.735	33	0	10
70	2	83	31.65	29	0	17
2062	3	80	33.55	29.5	0	12
716	4	83	33.94	32	0	11
1503	1	84	33.65	32	1	11
1816	2	79	37.72	35.5	0	8
932	3	82	36.885	34	0	6
48	4	82	40.82	42	0	6
384	5	83	38.92	35	0	10
694	2	84	38.01	36	0	8
148	1	79	25.695	22.5	1	27
1089	3	82	38.885	36.5	0	10
316	3	84	42.95	44	0	5
548	7	81	42.74	43	0	3
2165	2	84	41.76	40	0	9
1676	2	83	41.55	41	0	8
364	5	82	41.26	42	0	8
84	8	85	46.415	46	0	1
1366	5	84	43.39	40	0	3
134	5	84	47.505	49	0	2
1023	1	85	45.66	46	1	4
2487	3	83	45.41	42	0	4
180	8	84	48.06	47	0	1
812	5	82	47.14	48.5	0	2
2237	8	83	46.435	45	0	2
2638	2	85	44.525	43	0	4
425	9	84	45.13	44	0	0
2340	6	85	47.515	51	0	5
894	8	84	49.915	51.5	0	1
1319	6	84	49.06	49.5	0	2
2046	3	76	25.335	22	0	22
2549	5	85	50.57	54	0	2
2564	10	84	47.96	48.5	0	0
980	5	85	52.055	54.5	0	1
612	8	84	51.675	53	0	3
1038	7	85	53.68	54	0	1
1983	1	82	42.585	40.5	1	5
8	6	84	54.195	56.5	0	1
302	4	85	55.815	57	0	2
457	9	85	56.04	59	0	0
1739	9	85	56.61	59	0	0
1758	3	85	56.135	58.5	0	2
597	10	84	51.94	53	0	0
2599	4	85	57.395	59	0	1
2023	10	85	56.715	57	0	0
2437	3	84	54.875	58	0	2
399	4	85	56.345	58	0	1
1296	18	85	62.51	67	0	0
1212	6	85	60.24	66	0	1
1138	6	84	54.745	55.5	0	1
2423	14	85	62.625	66.5	0	0
1390	9	85	63.64	68	0	0
226	30	85	65.665	68	0	0
1885	9	84	56.97	58	0	0
168	7	85	62.575	67	0	1
2354	19	85	67.765	73	0	0
1254	18	85	67.95	71.5	0	0
115	3	85	58.69	63	0	1
839	20	85	63.065	67	0	0
1523	10	85	69.95	74	0	0
2621	9	85	73.095	77	0	0
1576	25	85	75.86	79.5	0	0
509	32	85	74.04	79	0	0
1595	35	85	78.985	82	0	0

wow
do you have more info about the one where 1114 were not in the top 8?

[cziggy343]

Originally Posted by Joe Ross

I ran through 200 simulated qualifications (all 100 matches, using the FIRST match generator). I used each team's best opr for their contribution to a match.

I know 1114 is by far the best robot this year, but I wanted to see what their chances are of seeding first. They went undefeated in all but 20 trials, but only seeded first 73 times. Here are the statistics for all teams:

QPs:

Team	min	max	average	median	undefeated
1114	12	14	13.81	14	180
103	8	14	12.37	12	77
217	8	14	11.705	12	50
40	6	14	11.385	12	39
330	6	14	11.545	12	49
254	2	14	10.83	10.5	31
494	4	14	10.56	10	17
25	6	14	10.535	10	21
1717	2	14	10.96	12	31
121	4	14	9.795	10	18
1629	2	14	10.29	10	20
234	2	14	9.29	10	10
469	4	14	9.61	10	13
343	2	14	8.43	8	5
65	0	14	8.39	8	3
176	0	14	8.415	8	3
195	2	14	8.435	8	4
1540	2	14	8.895	10	8
88	1	14	7.885	8	3
291	0	14	7.55	8	2
1450	2	14	7.915	8	3
2468	2	14	8.285	8	4
70	0	14	7.92	8	4
2062	2	14	8.26	8	2
716	0	14	7.97	8	1
1503	0	14	8.24	8	6
1816	2	14	7.76	8	2
932	2	14	7.705	8	2
48	0	14	6.88	6	2
384	0	12	7.155	8	0
694	0	14	7.48	8	3
148	2	14	8.82	9	7
1089	0	14	7.525	8	5
316	0	14	6.7	6	2
548	2	12	6.84	6	0
2165	0	14	7.345	8	4
1676	2	14	7.34	8	3
364	0	13	6.885	6	0
84	0	12	6.17	6	0
1366	0	12	6.92	8	0
134	0	13	6.07	6	0
1023	0	14	6.59	6	2
2487	0	13	6.97	7	0
180	0	12	6.02	6	0
812	0	12	6.29	6	0
2237	0	12	6.73	6.5	0
2638	0	14	7.08	8	1
425	0	11	6.505	6	0
2340	0	14	6.65	6	1
894	0	12	6.13	6	0
1319	0	12	6.36	6	0
2046	2	14	9.28	10	4
2549	0	14	6.265	6	1
2564	0	12	6.605	6	0
980	0	13	5.925	6	0
612	0	12	5.795	6	0
1038	0	12	5.715	6	0
1983	0	14	7.16	8	3
8	0	12	5.335	6	0
302	0	14	5.18	6	1
457	0	12	5.205	6	0
1739	0	12	5.555	6	0
1758	0	14	5.595	6	1
597	0	11	5.8	6	0
2599	0	14	5.52	6	1
2023	0	12	5.545	6	0
2437	0	14	5.77	6	1
399	0	14	5.2	6	1
1296	0	10	4.74	4	0
1212	0	12	5.07	4	0
1138	0	14	5.615	6	1
2423	0	12	4.865	4	0
1390	0	12	4.52	4	0
226	0	8	4.015	4	0
1885	0	12	5.585	6	0
168	0	12	4.315	4	0
2354	0	10	4.085	4	0
1254	0	10	3.95	4	0
115	0	14	4.77	4	1
839	0	10	4.595	4	0
1523	0	12	3.79	4	0
2621	0	12	3.31	4	0
1576	0	10	2.93	2	0
509	0	8	2.94	2	0
1595	0	8	2.25	2	0

Seeds:

Team	Min	Max	average	median	1 seed	top 8
1114	1	9	2.43	2	73	199
103	1	27	5.475	4	38	160
217	1	30	8.435	6	21	128
40	1	49	9.935	7	11	114
330	1	45	9.155	6	21	123
254	1	75	12.825	9.5	8	88
494	1	60	14.74	12.5	4	72
25	1	47	13.76	12	4	83
1717	1	72	14.645	11.5	1	75
121	1	61	18.685	15	6	46
1629	2	73	17.955	16	0	51
234	1	75	22.2	16.5	4	37
469	2	65	20.725	17.5	0	42
343	1	77	28.885	27	3	23
65	3	82	28.045	26	0	18
176	2	81	28.525	27	0	12
195	2	77	28.205	27	0	22
1540	2	80	28.36	24	0	27
88	1	82	31.865	29	2	15
291	2	83	35.57	30	0	12
1450	3	81	36.405	34	0	6
2468	3	78	33.735	33	0	10
70	2	83	31.65	29	0	17
2062	3	80	33.55	29.5	0	12
716	4	83	33.94	32	0	11
1503	1	84	33.65	32	1	11
1816	2	79	37.72	35.5	0	8
932	3	82	36.885	34	0	6
48	4	82	40.82	42	0	6
384	5	83	38.92	35	0	10
694	2	84	38.01	36	0	8
148	1	79	25.695	22.5	1	27
1089	3	82	38.885	36.5	0	10
316	3	84	42.95	44	0	5
548	7	81	42.74	43	0	3
2165	2	84	41.76	40	0	9
1676	2	83	41.55	41	0	8
364	5	82	41.26	42	0	8
84	8	85	46.415	46	0	1
1366	5	84	43.39	40	0	3
134	5	84	47.505	49	0	2
1023	1	85	45.66	46	1	4
2487	3	83	45.41	42	0	4
180	8	84	48.06	47	0	1
812	5	82	47.14	48.5	0	2
2237	8	83	46.435	45	0	2
2638	2	85	44.525	43	0	4
425	9	84	45.13	44	0	0
2340	6	85	47.515	51	0	5
894	8	84	49.915	51.5	0	1
1319	6	84	49.06	49.5	0	2
2046	3	76	25.335	22	0	22
2549	5	85	50.57	54	0	2
2564	10	84	47.96	48.5	0	0
980	5	85	52.055	54.5	0	1
612	8	84	51.675	53	0	3
1038	7	85	53.68	54	0	1
1983	1	82	42.585	40.5	1	5
8	6	84	54.195	56.5	0	1
302	4	85	55.815	57	0	2
457	9	85	56.04	59	0	0
1739	9	85	56.61	59	0	0
1758	3	85	56.135	58.5	0	2
597	10	84	51.94	53	0	0
2599	4	85	57.395	59	0	1
2023	10	85	56.715	57	0	0
2437	3	84	54.875	58	0	2
399	4	85	56.345	58	0	1
1296	18	85	62.51	67	0	0
1212	6	85	60.24	66	0	1
1138	6	84	54.745	55.5	0	1
2423	14	85	62.625	66.5	0	0
1390	9	85	63.64	68	0	0
226	30	85	65.665	68	0	0
1885	9	84	56.97	58	0	0
168	7	85	62.575	67	0	1
2354	19	85	67.765	73	0	0
1254	18	85	67.95	71.5	0	0
115	3	85	58.69	63	0	1
839	20	85	63.065	67	0	0
1523	10	85	69.95	74	0	0
2621	9	85	73.095	77	0	0
1576	25	85	75.86	79.5	0	0
509	32	85	74.04	79	0	0
1595	35	85	78.985	82	0	0

wow... 1114 never finished below 9 somehow... doesn't shock me, but it is just a simulation.

so this simulation had no assumed defense? its all on the opr?

[Joe Ross]

Originally Posted by Tottanka

wow
do you have more info about the one where 1114 were not in the top 8?

They lost 1 match. There were 3 undefeated teams and about 12 teams with 1 loss, and 1114 had an RS in the middle of those teams. They seeded 9th in that scenario.

Originally Posted by cziggy343

so this simulation had no assumed defense? its all on the opr?

Correct, no defense, which helps the offensive teams and hurts the defensive teams.

[Nawaid Ladak]

Originally Posted by Joe Ross

They lost 1 match. There were 3 undefeated teams and about 12 teams with 1 loss, and 1114 had an RS in the middle of those teams. They seeded 9th in that scenario.



Correct, no defense, which helps the offensive teams and hurts the defensive teams.

if you can, do one w9th the opr minus their oponants dpr

oh, don't forget to round by 2's because a odd score is impossable

[DhavalP]

wow those are some crazy results

[OompaLoompa]

I beg to differ about having 3 shooter bots for an alliance. Through what I've observed at the regionals I have attended and by watching matches online, sometimes having 3 robots who shoot acts as a disadvantage if the extra robot doesn't have a ball and is stuck playing defense.

The best alliances I've seen usually consist of either 2 placer/shooter bots (preferrably one of each) and one defense bot. HOWEVER having a defense bot also does you no good if all they can do is herd the ball. Having the ability of knocking the ball off the overpass during teleoperated mode is needed. This way the two shooter bots dont have to fuss with removing the balls and once they are down the defense bot basically plays a game of "keep-away". A solid autonomous mode also helps a little bit .

[AustinDpOwers89]

Originally Posted by AustinDpOwers89

really i'm thinking a 3 good hurdler/shooter alliance would be an ultimate alliance if they can effectively cooperate and share the 2 track balls. think of the robot without the ball on the otherside of the overpass and the 1st robot hurdles and passes it off to the waiting robot who can grab it within seconds and go around the track. Then the 1st robot waits for the other trackball to be hurdled grabs it and so on. now applying the same idea to a 3 shooter alliance, if they could shoot "kiddy-corner" that would be epic. and with so many good hurdlers in this division i can see it happening.

quoting myself from before... if teams can manage a good "cooprative strategy" and share the trackballs, i think this would optimize scoring potential.

[Joe Ross]

Originally Posted by Nawaid Ladak

if you can, do one w9th the opr minus their oponants dpr

oh, don't forget to round by 2's because a odd score is impossable

The OPR + DPR stats were only the top 50 teams, so that's not possible, right now.

[waialua359]

Sorry to thread jack.
Joe, can you run the simulation for Newton, please?

-Glenn

[Bob Steele]

I would personally like to welcome the rookie teams to Galileo.
Last year we were a rookie team on Newton and it did seem a bit overwhelming.

You will have a great time!! And if you need anything in the way of help please come and talk to the skunks.

Don't worry about all the stats!!! The championships have a funny way of sorting things out...

We will look forward to playing with you and against you!!!

We are bringing our "A" game...
and we have a few surprises for all you teams that have never seen anyone from the Pac North West.

We are looking forward to competing with everyone!!

see you in 5 days!!!

The Skunks are coming... 1-9-8-3

[Coach Norm]

Originally Posted by OompaLoompa

I beg to differ about having 3 shooter bots for an alliance. Through what I've observed at the regionals I have attended and by watching matches online, sometimes having 3 robots who shoot acts as a disadvantage if the extra robot doesn't have a ball and is stuck playing defense.

The best alliances I've seen usually consist of either 2 placer/shooter bots (preferrably one of each) and one defense bot. HOWEVER having a defense bot also does you no good if all they can do is herd the ball. Having the ability of knocking the ball off the overpass during teleoperated mode is needed. This way the two shooter bots dont have to fuss with removing the balls and once they are down the defense bot basically plays a game of "keep-away". A solid autonomous mode also helps a little bit .

We are hoping others see it that way as well. A lap bot with good autonomous and the ability to knock the ball off.



We are just disappointed that our videos from Lone Star Regional were not good enough to post on The Blue Alliance.

We are ready to go though. Can we go now?

[AdamHeard]

Originally Posted by Coach Norm

We are hoping others see it that way as well. A lap bot with good autonomous and the ability to knock the ball off.



We are just disappointed that our videos from Lone Star Regional were not good enough to post on The Blue Alliance.

We are ready to go though. Can we go now?

May not be the same point he was making, but by three good hurdlers I'm assuming they come from good teams; therefore, they have a good base, good drivers and a good grasp on strategy.

The 3rd bot would be most likely running interference and D, but could be switched for the other two at any time. This opens up so much more freedom for the coaches/strategy and allows for more malfunctions. It would also allow for more opportunities for last minute places, hurdles, etc.... Remember, just because a team can only run laps/play D and knock, doesn't mean they are necessarily better at it.

[David Brinza]

Originally Posted by The Lucas

I have to say it:

Fear the SimChickens

What do you think are the odds of them getting together? Busting out these T-shirts?

Could Karthik and Copioli they have planned this all along?

Earlier this year, this speculation was dismissed...based on robot designs:

Look what I saw! (Post 74)

Maybe things are not simply as they appear?

[ttldomination]

THey may not, but if one of them seeds first, then they will not let the change bypass them and they will quickly bypass them.

[Joe Ross]

Originally Posted by Tottanka

wow
do you have more info about the one where 1114 were not in the top 8?

Here some of the matches that 1114 lost

Red1	Red2	Red3	Blue1	Blue2	Blue3	Red	Blue
1114	180	115	103	343	494	113	127
384	1114	84	103	121	469	127	128
716	40	1717	115	302	1114	113	109
84	494	103	1114	1254	812	117	107
217	494	1319	1114	839	2621	109	93
217	254	176	1114	316	226	124	112