Galileo Division 2008

[Racer26]

I suspect Galileo SF1.2 will be talked about for quite some time.

It seems to me that the red card was a little extreme, since the refs made it sound as though it was because of the team cheering. While un-GP it shouldn't be a deciding factor, as I'm fairly certain many people would cheer if their main opponent was unable to continue scoring, the fact that it was intentionally wouldn't factor in to most people in the stands.

[SSMike]

7 more penalties on that last match, 5 being on the red alliance forcing a 3rd semi-final match. Wow!

I said this before and I'll say it again, these close matches will be decided by penalties. The alliance that is the best at avoiding them will win it all.

[Joe G.]

Originally Posted by SSMike

I said this before and I'll say it again, these close matches will be decided by penalties. The alliance that is the best at avoiding them will win it all.

I agree. Galileo seems to e especially penalty-laden

However, hopefully, by the einstien finals, this will result in penalty free, close matches.

[Bongle]

Originally Posted by 1075guy

I suspect Galileo SF1.2 will be talked about for quite some time.

It seems to me that the red card was a little extreme, since the refs made it sound as though it was because of the team cheering. While un-GP it shouldn't be a deciding factor, as I'm fairly certain many people would cheer if their main opponent was unable to continue scoring, the fact that it was intentionally wouldn't factor in to most people in the stands.

The factors I see towards a red card:
-40's drivers had a clear view of what they were doing
-1114 is built so low, it needs to be pushed FAR to tip
-there wasn't really any other traffic around (in my memory anyway, i'll have to re-watch on TBA).
-the team cheering could have soured the refs mood

[Tim Delles]

Originally Posted by 1075guy

I suspect Galileo SF1.2 will be talked about for quite some time.

It seems to me that the red card was a little extreme, since the refs made it sound as though it was because of the team cheering. While un-GP it shouldn't be a deciding factor, as I'm fairly certain many people would cheer if their main opponent was unable to continue scoring, the fact that it was intentionally wouldn't factor in to most people in the stands.

also the Blue alliance had so many penalties it would not have changed the outcome (only the score).

The refs could possibly have given a red card to this team to warn everyone (not just the competitors on that field but everyone left playing) that they will not allow a lot of contact to go on.

[Swan217]

Originally Posted by Tim Delles

also the Blue alliance had so many penalties it would not have changed the outcome (only the score).

The refs could possibly have given a red card to this team to warn everyone (not just the competitors on that field but everyone left playing) that they will not allow a lot of contact to go on.

Originally Posted by G52

In the event that any TEAM members in the arena are uncivil towards
competition personnel or other TEAMS, the TEAM may be disqualified from the MATCH.

Please see T05, T07, T09, and G52.

[Andy330]

I guess my memory is different from Bongle's. I seem to remember there being at least 3 robots in the immediate area, with team 40 moving away from the driver station. In other words, I didn't get impression that the drivers had a clear view of what was going on. But obviously the red alliance would have won even without the red card being issued, so that's not really an issue.

What I'm confused about is exactly how the team cheering affected the red card. Obviously this is just my impression, but it almost seems to me that the referees used team 40 cheering as evidence that they had tipped 1114 intentionally. So if the drive team had instead appeared sober and apologetic, would they still have issued the red card? Do the referees really expect to be able to control the emotions of excitable high school students caught up in the moment?

To be clear, I don't want to sound like a sore loser. The 1114/217/148 alliance was clearly in control of the match. The blue alliance likely wouldn't have even been in a position to win in the first place had 217 and 148 been fully operational. But I would really like to understand the rationale behind this red card.

EDIT: I just read G52 as Dan said, so I can see they had legal reason to issue the red card. I guess that's all that needs to be said.

[T3_1565]

Originally Posted by Dan Swando

Please see T05, T07, T09, and G52.

I didn't know about G52.. now it makes more sense as to why the cheering part was important.. although I thought red card as it was right in front of the blue alliance station, and although at first it didn't look intentional (40 hit 1114 with the trackball in there gripper), but it seemed to me it went from an accident to "there tipping!! help it out!" (this may not be the case, just so people don't yell at me this just seems like it to me)

At the same note 90 minus point decided it anyways.. so it didn't really matter


These are some intense matches!!!

[Tim Delles]

congrats to 1114 217 and 148!

[Steve W]

I know that I would fear any alliance that had Karthik, Paul and John teamed together.

[SSMike]

Just announced by Andy, Galileo will be playing Newton on Einstein

[rsilverstein]

Great division. There were so many quality, close matches (and controversial ones too).

Congrats to all teams, especially the winners!

[Bongle]

Originally Posted by Andy330

I guess my memory is different from Bongle's. I seem to remember there being at least 3 robots in the immediate area, with team 40 moving away from the driver station. In other words, I didn't get impression that the drivers had a clear view of what was going on. But obviously the red alliance would have won even without the red card being issued, so that's not really an issue.

My memory is certainly fuzzy. I remember there being a big traffic jam at that end, then it kind of clearing*, then 40 hitting 1114 as they also cleared out. So I'm not entirely sure, those were just my raw thoughts soon after it occurred.

*this may not have happened. It is possible I was focusing so much on 40 and 1114 the other robots got blanked out.

I do know that the webcast caught it (as well as the early-game 1114 ram) very clearly, so once it gets posted on TBA or SOAP we'll have clarity.

In other news, congrats to 1114 for a well-deserved championship.

[jayjaywalker3]

Originally Posted by Manoel

How could 148 go unnoticed 'till the last pick?

Scout, people, scout...

Can we call them 2008 World Champions already?

I dont understand why 148 is a good pick. All I saw was 148 picking up penalties in qualifications and then picking up penalties in the eliminations. I will look at their videos from other regionals though.

EDIT
So after watching finals and semifinals from St Louis I see them having a crazy hybrid and making many many laps but at champs I saw them going backwards over two lines in hybrid (although i thought it looked like it was on purpose) and picking up other penalties with poor driving.

[AmoryG]

Team 148's robot is one crazy defensive robot. And I mean that in a good way.