If You could bring back one game, for 1 season in 09 what would it be?

[Racer26]

Yeah, far and away 2004.

I think I might modify my 2004 offseason robot (we changed our arm from worm gear to multiposition pneumatic in the offseason), and give it the drive units we used in 2007, possibly modified for climbing the 6" stair, if necessary.

[Wayne C.]

Originally Posted by Jessica Boucher

2000. Definitely 2000. Don't make all the old schoolers come out of the woodwork to tell you how much they love that game

So simple, yet the possibilities were endless. Back when strategy evolution was expected and encouraged, FIRST has not yet put out a game to beat it.

Hey- I'm an old schooler- and yes. I like the 2000 game. Creativity reaped big rewards- but of course I'm biased....


these young whipper snappers just don't know what a FIRST game can be...
walking up hill both sides of the field with no shoes, robots of wood and stone ......


blaaah! and stay off my lawn...

WC

[Andy Baker]

I still love 1999. That game was bizarre. We would do a new version of TKO.

Oh... and some of today's general gameplay rules would need to go away.

AB

[Joe Ross]

Originally Posted by Andy Baker

I still love 1999. That game was bizarre. We would do a new version of TKO.

Oh... and some of today's general gameplay rules would need to go away.

AB

TKO and the current outside the bumper zone contact rules certainly wouldn't work.

[rees2001]

If you want to make room for 2000 you could easily get rid of 2001. I don't know ANYBODY that liked that game. 2004 would be tempting, it was a lot like 2000.

[GaryVoshol]

I voted for "none". I've only had 4 seasons of experience, and I've liked most of them. But I wouldn't want to do any of them over again. I look forward to the next intriguing (devious, conniving, scheming?) submission from the GDC.

[Marc P.]

The dynamics of the Puck, and raising the floppies up to eight feet made '99 a great game. It was my first exposure to FIRST, and will always be special because of that.

Beyond that, I'm with Jess. I'd love to see 2000 played out again. It was more or less the beginning of all modern FIRST games, at least in terms of field layout with the alliance stations as they are. If I recall, it was also one of the first years teams could keep the control systems, and only the second year of using Innovation First hardware (Victor 883 speed controllers, the pbasic STAMP based RC, spike relays, etc). Prior, to 2000, many teams would return the controls to FIRST at the end of competition season.

The game itself was exciting and very strategic in play. I'm still awestruck thinking back to team 25's robot that year, and it's 'unique' method of ensuring victory. I was also impressed by 173's robot, of which it's 2002 national championship winning robot very closely resembles.

[Kim Masi]

After seeing many videos of 177's robot in 1998 last year, I would vote for that.

But from my actual experience in FIRST, I would have to say 2004. My one reason would be to design a robot that could hang faster and more affectively. (Ours did in 2004 but it only did in a practice match.) I was a big fan of MOE 365'd robot that year. It was my first year in FIRST, and I don't think any game has been better. (With 2006 a close second)

[s_forbes]

2006 was awesome; someone should just hold an Aim High offseason event every year! I'd love to redisign our robot from that year as well... it was our rookie year so we took the less challenging route of scoring in the low goal. Now that we have three years of experience, I know our bot would do something very different!

[sgreco]

This is an interesting topic to bring up because every year I look at the robots and think the best way to play the game. It seems that when you watch an entire season's worth of games you can figure out the best way to play. This year it seems that the best way to knock off is to use a sheet of lexan. The best way to pick up appears to be something along the lines of a roller above to forks(it can also depend on the drivers). I would also give a slight advantage to team that shoot just because they take slightly less time and and can't get caught on the overpass.(most shooters can't place at the end though). I think swerve is the best drive train, but a lot of teams would have trouble making it function to its full capacity so a six wheel skid steer with a shifting transmission works well too.

[Nawaid Ladak]

quite a few of this years arm bots would be able to play the 2004 game effectivly, herding the 5 point balls and really controling the 2x multiplyer ball. only issue would be hanging.

that game had SO MANY diffrent wasy to play it, i personally liked my teams (1402, our rookie year...the announcer at Palmetto called us the candy canes :-D good times) we played king of the hill, we would just go to the top and push anyone who came close until the last 15 second and we would hang

this was the BEST game i've seen from FIRST, i've been around seince 2003


btw: does anyone have video of the 2000 game?

[Akash Rastogi]

This is an awesome thread just b/c I've always wanted to have an off season that uses one of the old games. Does anyone already do this? I would love to participate in it. Probably 06.

[Corey Balint]

Originally Posted by lilstogi11

This is an awesome thread just b/c I've always wanted to have an off season that uses one of the old games. Does anyone already do this? I would love to participate in it. Probably 06.

I've heard teams talk about doing it before...but the price to make the field and all is too steep for some.

We've had this discussion on 125 before and decided that it would be too costly for ourselves to produce and for other teams to alter/make robots for that game (not everyone keeps each year's robot).

[Dreadfrost]

I know lots disagee with me but i do rack and roll again anyday. Mainly beucase it was the year i joined. But I'd only pick 07 if we replayed all the regionals becuase then wed get the chance of facing 1114 in finals at Waterloo, Toronto, and Curie again without the dissapointments of a disable alliance member, annoying ringers, and damaged ramps.

I know for sure that everyone else on my team would want 2005 becuase that was are dominant year. With Kazias we won both the Waterloo regional (First waterloo regional) Greater Toronto Regional, and we alos won engineering insipiration at both regionals like we did this year.

[Kim Masi]

The logistics of having an off-season that plays a previous year's game is difficult.

Perhaps in the future there could be a "summer project" offseason Where teams would be notified well in advance of an offseason playing a previous year's game so that way if they want to participate they can drag out their old bot from storage or perhaps make a new one in the mean time. It may be a great learning exercise to get new students geared up for the build season (no pun intended :-p)

But thats a whole 'nother thread for a different time.