Any East Coast Collaborations?

[acdcfan259]

Originally Posted by lilstogi11

True, I agree with you on that. However, there were some teams that really looked like total copies. But whatever, as long as they were built as well as the original or executed a different way I suppose it doesn't matter.

Oh Eric, btw, do you know if 121 worked with any other teams this year?

I talked with one of their team members, and it SOUNDED like they didn't. But I don't know because I never asked him that question. The way he was talking, I don't think they did.

[Akash Rastogi]

Originally Posted by aztech75

Am I the only one who see's this as compleatly against the spirit of FIRST.

Isn't the point of the program to see different designs that do different things? For every team to let there KIDS engineer there own custom design.

Sure, making a similar design off of another team's claw or arm device makes sence. But to make exact copys, seams completly against the principals of FIRST to me!

I know what you are saying but I asked kindly to please keep the thread about the robots..not the ideals of FIRST..we've had those threads before. Just please keep this thread about the topic. If you wish to talk about the pro's and con's of collaboration please seek a different existing thread (there are plenty that argue the topic of collaboration). Thanks

Emphasis mine:

Originally Posted by lilstogi11

lol, I would love to but our team has usually sided to be against that...but let's not bring that thread back up please. I was just interested in seeing other twins or triplets and what similarities and differences they have. By far, the coolest ones are the 2006 NiagraFIRST triplets regardless of what your opinion on the matter of collaboration is.

btw.I think the black robot you may be referring to was a 968 practice chassis. I'll find the pic

Thank you..

[aztech75]

Originally Posted by lilstogi11

I know what you are saying but I asked kindly to please keep the thread about the robots..not the ideals of FIRST..we've had those threads before. Just please keep this thread about the topic. If you wish to talk about the pro's and con's of collaboration please seek a different existing thread (there are plenty that argue the topic of collaboration). Thanks

Emphasis mine:


Thank you..

It's one in the same guy.
I am talking about robots and the reason that i don't agree with that specific strategy.

[Cory]

Originally Posted by aztech75

It's one in the same guy.
I am talking about robots and the reason that i don't agree with that specific strategy.

If you want to discuss the merits of collaboration, please add your thoughts to one of the many threads that currently exist on the topic, and stick to just discussing the thread topics-known collaborations between east coast teams.

[Triple B]

how bout just a coast collaboration?
mike d

[Akash Rastogi]

Originally Posted by Triple B

how bout just a coast collaboration?
mike d

Elaborate please..I don't seem to understand what you mean.

EDIT: ooo, I think I get what you mean.

New question: If you guys could have any two or three teams work together on the East coast who would it be? Same for West. and then combination on East and West coasts (I think that's what Mike means). Also, specify what you think each team could bring to the table and remember that not all 3 have to be one of the famed "elite" teams. Think outside the box =)

[Waynep]

348 was very fortunate to have 25 as a collaborating partner this year on the east coast. We did not build mechanical twins (we did build a 25 inspired drive train), but rather shared ideas, expertise, technology, and strategies. This allowed each team to retain authorship of their machines, but we benefited and learned from each other from the exchange of information.

We cannot thank 25, the BMS guys, and Shaun McNulty enough for all their help, rapidly taking us up the learning curve, and assistance in making us a solid Championship alliance partner. 25 was an integral component of 348s success and the teams/MY education this year.

The West Coast, Niagra, Midwest, VA, FL collaborations are partnerships to be admired and learned from. I'm in awe of the success that those teams have had and how much their students have learned. There are a lot of less "high profile" collaborations going on as well. Through my travels around the country as an MC this year, I was lucky to hear many stories of collaborations on a multitude of levels whether it be pertaining to robot design, mentoring rookies, or supporting FLL and FTC programs. A component of FIRST is fostering relationships and building community. On this aspect, I walked away from the '08 season particularly inspired.

-wayne

[Akash Rastogi]

Originally Posted by Waynep

348 was very fortunate to have 25 as a collaborating partner this year on the east coast. We did not build mechanical twins (we did build a 25 inspired drive train), but rather shared ideas, expertise, technology, and strategies.

25's an awesome team to learn from. Their lift from 07 was just amazingly engineered and was overall a beautiful machine. I would love to learn from them some more. Perhaps at the next NJ regional I'll have a chance.

[AdamHeard]

Originally Posted by lilstogi11

I was searching the threads and I found this...

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...=collaboration

So, anyone have any guesses?

Yup, two posts above ....

348

[Rick]

Originally Posted by acdcfan259

I talked with one of their team members, and it SOUNDED like they didn't. But I don't know because I never asked him that question. The way he was talking, I don't think they did.

We helped one struggling rookie team with CAD files of our machine. They benefited greatly from them and we were given a Judges award for our efforts. I do not consider it collaboration.

If collaboration meant a machine that mimics a proven concept from a video in week 3, then we had the biggest collaboration in FIRST, ever. I realize that a bunch of our twins had the idea, but our pics and videos confirmed that the idea works.

Same thing happened with American robot in 2005 and 2007. 1305 said they heavily borrowed from our design. Great team that we won a qualification match with in Atlanta that year. In 2007, team 2079 had build season pics with team members watching American Robot. Their claw was a direct (and larger) copy of one of our prototypes.

[sgreco]

Originally Posted by Ricksta121

In 2007, team 2079 had build season pics with team members watching American Robot. Their claw was a direct (and larger) copy of one of our prototypes.

Not to be rude, but this statement simply is not true.

Team 2079 was a rookie last year. We had no ties to any other teams, and we had very little knowledge of FIRST. We didn't even know 121 existed. We have very well documented brainstorming and prototyping of designs from the build season.

I think you should check your sources before you post. I'm also curious to know where you saw these pictures, because they aren't of my team or from my team.

P.S. What is American Robot anyway?

[Rick]

Originally Posted by Sgreco27

Not to be rude, but this statement simply is not true.

Team 2079 was a rookie last year. We had no ties to any other teams, and we had very little knowledge of FIRST. We didn't even know 121 existed. We have very well documented brainstorming and prototyping of designs from the build season.

I think you should check your sources before you post. I'm also curious to know where you saw these pictures, because they aren't of my team or from my team.

P.S. What is American Robot anyway?

There was a nice 8x10 picture of 3-4 of 2079 teammates eating pizza and gathering around a laptop. On that laptop was a youtube video. That video title was American Robot Episode 2. I remember it very well since I invited every member of 121 that had anything to do with American Robot over to the 2079 pit to view the photo. I wanted them to see proof that another team was watching our videos.

I thought it was great that a rookie team watched the project my team spent hundreds of hours on and was able to find inspiration in one of our designs. To sit there and deny that *some 2079ers* (not necessarily you) watched it is not so admirable.

Teams find inspiration from other teams all the time. I am not accusing 2079 or any other team of any wrong doing. I was merely stating what I saw at the Boston Regional last year.

[J_Greco]

Originally Posted by Ricksta121

There was a nice 8x10 picture of 3-4 of 2079 teammates eating pizza and gathering around a laptop. On that laptop was a youtube video. That video title was American Robot Episode 2. I remember it very well since I invited every member of 121 that had anything to do with American Robot over to the 2079 pit to view the photo. I wanted them to see proof that another team was watching our videos.

I thought it was great that a rookie team watched the project my team spent hundreds of hours on and was able to find inspiration in one of our designs. To sit there and deny that *some 2079ers* (not necessarily you) watched it is not so admirable.

Teams find inspiration from other teams all the time. I am not accusing 2079 or any other team of any wrong doing. I was merely stating what I saw at the Boston Regional last year.

I have been watchin this develop with interest, and I think it is time that I intervened. I am well aware that this conversation should take place in personal messages, but I cannot permit this libel regarding team 2079's 2007 robot to persist.

I was the captain of team 2079 in 2007 and 2008. I oversaw everything that our team did. The picture of which you speak is of some team members (myself included) watching American Robot. That day (the Saturday before the end of the build season), our team decided to see what other teams had done during the build season. Our robot was entirely complete (except for the placement of the beacon). As much as you would like to believe that our gripper was a copy of yours, our design is entirely original.

I find it insulting that you assume that we copied you because we had similar (though not so similar if you viewed our well documented design process). We had completed our gripper by the end of the second week, and by no means did we obtain any ideas from American Robot. We did not even see your video until week 6. This even an official meeting; a few team members just stuck around the lab to eat lunch. I do not even specifically remember watching American robot, but now that you mention the picture, I see that it is 121.

You should not jump to conclusions about the generation of our design before actually knowing what your are talking about. I'm sorry to be harsh, but our team is very proud of our 2007 design, and to have you falsely claim that we copied you is both damaging and very frustrating.

[Dan Richardson]

All I know is I <3 collaboration and am more than willing to do it again. It is hard work, much harder than building your own bot. Everything has to be accounted for, everything must be perfect, but I have never been a part of a more rewarding experience.

I truely believe many people benefit and are inspired by well built collaborations and would suggest to anyone to at least try it once. If not an entire robot builds, component collaborations are rewarding as well. In my experience it seems to instill some real world practices that can occasionally be missed in single team builds.

In my collaboration experience the teams learned more, were more inspired, and we came out with a much better result than if we had done it on our own. I look forward to being part of a collaboration again someday :-)

[Rick]

Originally Posted by J_Greco

I have been watchin this develop with interest, and I think it is time that I intervened. I am well aware that this conversation should take place in personal messages, but I cannot permit this libel regarding team 2079's 2007 robot to persist.

I was the captain of team 2079 in 2007 and 2008. I oversaw everything that our team did. The picture of which you speak is of some team members (myself included) watching American Robot. That day (the Saturday before the end of the build season), our team decided to see what other teams had done during the build season. Our robot was entirely complete (except for the placement of the beacon). As much as you would like to believe that our gripper was a copy of yours, our design is entirely original.

I find it insulting that you assume that we copied you because we had similar (though not so similar if you viewed our well documented design process). We had completed our gripper by the end of the second week, and by no means did we obtain any ideas from American Robot. We did not even see your video until week 6. This even an official meeting; a few team members just stuck around the lab to eat lunch. I do not even specifically remember watching American robot, but now that you mention the picture, I see that it is 121.

You should not jump to conclusions about the generation of our design before actually knowing what your are talking about. I'm sorry to be harsh, but our team is very proud of our 2007 design, and to have you falsely claim that we copied you is both damaging and very frustrating.

Relax please. You are the first 2079er to tell me you did watch the video and more importantly when. I whole-heatedly believe you and commend your team for a great rookie entry. You seeded second if I remember correctly.

I think we can drop it now.