Any East Coast Collaborations?

[Rick]

Originally Posted by acdcfan259

I talked with one of their team members, and it SOUNDED like they didn't. But I don't know because I never asked him that question. The way he was talking, I don't think they did.

We helped one struggling rookie team with CAD files of our machine. They benefited greatly from them and we were given a Judges award for our efforts. I do not consider it collaboration.

If collaboration meant a machine that mimics a proven concept from a video in week 3, then we had the biggest collaboration in FIRST, ever. I realize that a bunch of our twins had the idea, but our pics and videos confirmed that the idea works.

Same thing happened with American robot in 2005 and 2007. 1305 said they heavily borrowed from our design. Great team that we won a qualification match with in Atlanta that year. In 2007, team 2079 had build season pics with team members watching American Robot. Their claw was a direct (and larger) copy of one of our prototypes.

[sgreco]

Originally Posted by Ricksta121

In 2007, team 2079 had build season pics with team members watching American Robot. Their claw was a direct (and larger) copy of one of our prototypes.

Not to be rude, but this statement simply is not true.

Team 2079 was a rookie last year. We had no ties to any other teams, and we had very little knowledge of FIRST. We didn't even know 121 existed. We have very well documented brainstorming and prototyping of designs from the build season.

I think you should check your sources before you post. I'm also curious to know where you saw these pictures, because they aren't of my team or from my team.

P.S. What is American Robot anyway?

[Rick]

Originally Posted by Sgreco27

Not to be rude, but this statement simply is not true.

Team 2079 was a rookie last year. We had no ties to any other teams, and we had very little knowledge of FIRST. We didn't even know 121 existed. We have very well documented brainstorming and prototyping of designs from the build season.

I think you should check your sources before you post. I'm also curious to know where you saw these pictures, because they aren't of my team or from my team.

P.S. What is American Robot anyway?

There was a nice 8x10 picture of 3-4 of 2079 teammates eating pizza and gathering around a laptop. On that laptop was a youtube video. That video title was American Robot Episode 2. I remember it very well since I invited every member of 121 that had anything to do with American Robot over to the 2079 pit to view the photo. I wanted them to see proof that another team was watching our videos.

I thought it was great that a rookie team watched the project my team spent hundreds of hours on and was able to find inspiration in one of our designs. To sit there and deny that *some 2079ers* (not necessarily you) watched it is not so admirable.

Teams find inspiration from other teams all the time. I am not accusing 2079 or any other team of any wrong doing. I was merely stating what I saw at the Boston Regional last year.

[J_Greco]

Originally Posted by Ricksta121

There was a nice 8x10 picture of 3-4 of 2079 teammates eating pizza and gathering around a laptop. On that laptop was a youtube video. That video title was American Robot Episode 2. I remember it very well since I invited every member of 121 that had anything to do with American Robot over to the 2079 pit to view the photo. I wanted them to see proof that another team was watching our videos.

I thought it was great that a rookie team watched the project my team spent hundreds of hours on and was able to find inspiration in one of our designs. To sit there and deny that *some 2079ers* (not necessarily you) watched it is not so admirable.

Teams find inspiration from other teams all the time. I am not accusing 2079 or any other team of any wrong doing. I was merely stating what I saw at the Boston Regional last year.

I have been watchin this develop with interest, and I think it is time that I intervened. I am well aware that this conversation should take place in personal messages, but I cannot permit this libel regarding team 2079's 2007 robot to persist.

I was the captain of team 2079 in 2007 and 2008. I oversaw everything that our team did. The picture of which you speak is of some team members (myself included) watching American Robot. That day (the Saturday before the end of the build season), our team decided to see what other teams had done during the build season. Our robot was entirely complete (except for the placement of the beacon). As much as you would like to believe that our gripper was a copy of yours, our design is entirely original.

I find it insulting that you assume that we copied you because we had similar (though not so similar if you viewed our well documented design process). We had completed our gripper by the end of the second week, and by no means did we obtain any ideas from American Robot. We did not even see your video until week 6. This even an official meeting; a few team members just stuck around the lab to eat lunch. I do not even specifically remember watching American robot, but now that you mention the picture, I see that it is 121.

You should not jump to conclusions about the generation of our design before actually knowing what your are talking about. I'm sorry to be harsh, but our team is very proud of our 2007 design, and to have you falsely claim that we copied you is both damaging and very frustrating.

[Dan Richardson]

All I know is I <3 collaboration and am more than willing to do it again. It is hard work, much harder than building your own bot. Everything has to be accounted for, everything must be perfect, but I have never been a part of a more rewarding experience.

I truely believe many people benefit and are inspired by well built collaborations and would suggest to anyone to at least try it once. If not an entire robot builds, component collaborations are rewarding as well. In my experience it seems to instill some real world practices that can occasionally be missed in single team builds.

In my collaboration experience the teams learned more, were more inspired, and we came out with a much better result than if we had done it on our own. I look forward to being part of a collaboration again someday :-)

[Rick]

Originally Posted by J_Greco

I have been watchin this develop with interest, and I think it is time that I intervened. I am well aware that this conversation should take place in personal messages, but I cannot permit this libel regarding team 2079's 2007 robot to persist.

I was the captain of team 2079 in 2007 and 2008. I oversaw everything that our team did. The picture of which you speak is of some team members (myself included) watching American Robot. That day (the Saturday before the end of the build season), our team decided to see what other teams had done during the build season. Our robot was entirely complete (except for the placement of the beacon). As much as you would like to believe that our gripper was a copy of yours, our design is entirely original.

I find it insulting that you assume that we copied you because we had similar (though not so similar if you viewed our well documented design process). We had completed our gripper by the end of the second week, and by no means did we obtain any ideas from American Robot. We did not even see your video until week 6. This even an official meeting; a few team members just stuck around the lab to eat lunch. I do not even specifically remember watching American robot, but now that you mention the picture, I see that it is 121.

You should not jump to conclusions about the generation of our design before actually knowing what your are talking about. I'm sorry to be harsh, but our team is very proud of our 2007 design, and to have you falsely claim that we copied you is both damaging and very frustrating.

Relax please. You are the first 2079er to tell me you did watch the video and more importantly when. I whole-heatedly believe you and commend your team for a great rookie entry. You seeded second if I remember correctly.

I think we can drop it now.

[Akash Rastogi]

Originally Posted by J_Greco

You should not jump to conclusions about the generation of our design before actually knowing what your are talking about. I'm sorry to be harsh, but our team is very proud of our 2007 design, and to have you falsely claim that we copied you is both damaging and very frustrating.

He never meant to insult your team in any way. Just leave it be.

[J_Greco]

Originally Posted by lilstogi11

He never meant to insult your team in any way. Just leave it be.

No harm done. I just didn't want people to think our design wasn't original.

Anyway, I think this thread can go back on topic now

[Dan Richardson]

Yeah it did seem like a lot of robots had that 343 style gripper. When I saw metal in motion go I was very impressed. Roller grippers were great this year, unfortunately like us it wasn't the way to go, simply couldn't keep up with the best shooters or the flipper style arms like 330/217.

Roller grippers have always been the best way to go with balls, we relied heavily on pictures of old robots, that itself was a collaboration. Heck when Arefin showed our team the 1345 roller gripper design that is what influenced our team to go with it. In fact he suggested the best way to do it. When we saw 121's design at the time, we were VERY impressed and were happy with the direction we were going.... until we saw 1114 :-( hehe

Either way 121 sure had a great design, becareful with your tone tho, you might offend people when you insult their creativity. If anything for us, when we were looking for comparison we looked at your 04 bot, which was also beast master.