Go to Post It is hard to write code that conforms to a standard that isn't published... - AustinSchuh [more]
Home
Go Back   Chief Delphi > Other > Chit-Chat
CD-Media   CD-Spy  
portal register members calendar search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read FAQ rules

 
Reply
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
  #1   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 20-07-2008, 18:41
Michael Hill's Avatar
Michael Hill Michael Hill is offline
Registered User
FRC #3138 (Innovators Robotics)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Rookie Year: 2003
Location: Dayton, OH
Posts: 1,576
Michael Hill has a reputation beyond reputeMichael Hill has a reputation beyond reputeMichael Hill has a reputation beyond reputeMichael Hill has a reputation beyond reputeMichael Hill has a reputation beyond reputeMichael Hill has a reputation beyond reputeMichael Hill has a reputation beyond reputeMichael Hill has a reputation beyond reputeMichael Hill has a reputation beyond reputeMichael Hill has a reputation beyond reputeMichael Hill has a reputation beyond repute
Why must Apple draw me towards them?

I've always been a PC user and actually teased mac owners for owning a Fisher Price...Anyway, I accidentally broke my last laptop and ended up returning it for full price. So now, I've got an extra $1000 but no laptop. I see Apple sells a Macbook for $999 and gives a free iPod Touch. I don't know why it's pulling me towards it. I see engineers use macs all the time, is there any reason why? I'm really torn on buying on...I know my friends will never stop teasing me since they all know I've been anti-mac for years.
Reply With Quote
  #2   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 20-07-2008, 19:25
wilsonmw04's Avatar
wilsonmw04 wilsonmw04 is offline
Coach
FRC #1086 (Blue Cheese)
Team Role: Teacher
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Rookie Year: 2007
Location: Midlothian, VA
Posts: 1,887
wilsonmw04 has a reputation beyond reputewilsonmw04 has a reputation beyond reputewilsonmw04 has a reputation beyond reputewilsonmw04 has a reputation beyond reputewilsonmw04 has a reputation beyond reputewilsonmw04 has a reputation beyond reputewilsonmw04 has a reputation beyond reputewilsonmw04 has a reputation beyond reputewilsonmw04 has a reputation beyond reputewilsonmw04 has a reputation beyond reputewilsonmw04 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Why must Apple draw me towards them?

I'm a PC user at home and a Mac user professionally. As laptops go i'm using a Intel based MacBook with 1GB of ram. I'm rather happy with it. The design is really nice for the most part. The magnetic power adapter is a great idea and keeps you from damaging the computer when someone accidentally trips over your cord. The only problem with the design is that top of the keyboard cover, right next to the touch pad, cracks do to too much pressure applied when closed quickly (My school has been getting free replacement for these).

The roughest part about the transition to a Mac is the lack of a right click. You can use the Apple key + click to do it, but I found it easier set a preference to use a "two finger" click as a right click (leave two fingers on the trackpad while clicking).

On the whole a mac is a great little laptop. If you are planning on using your laptop for specialized software, CAD for example, mac aren't the best thing for you. You can set up a duel boot rig but i've had limited success with them during robotics season. Windows runs rather slow.
__________________
Currently: Coach FRC 1086/FTC 93
2006-2011 Coach FRC 2106/FTC 35
If you come to a FRC event to see a robot competition, you are missing the point.
Reply With Quote
  #3   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 20-07-2008, 19:51
Josh Hambright's Avatar
Josh Hambright Josh Hambright is offline
{Error Processing Custom Title}
AKA: oneangrydwarf/jtosh
no team (old school gangsta)
Team Role: Alumni
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Rookie Year: 2000
Location: Indiana
Posts: 1,421
Josh Hambright has a reputation beyond reputeJosh Hambright has a reputation beyond reputeJosh Hambright has a reputation beyond reputeJosh Hambright has a reputation beyond reputeJosh Hambright has a reputation beyond reputeJosh Hambright has a reputation beyond reputeJosh Hambright has a reputation beyond reputeJosh Hambright has a reputation beyond reputeJosh Hambright has a reputation beyond reputeJosh Hambright has a reputation beyond reputeJosh Hambright has a reputation beyond repute
Send a message via AIM to Josh Hambright
Re: Why must Apple draw me towards them?

Quote:
Originally Posted by wilsonmw04 View Post
The roughest part about the transition to a Mac is the lack of a right click. You can use the Apple key + click to do it, but I found it easier set a preference to use a "two finger" click as a right click (leave two fingers on the trackpad while clicking). .
Behold the Mighty Mouse!
__________________
Former 461 Student/Mentor. Former 1272 and 1018 Mentor. Team 1555 Super-Fan.
Science and Engineering Can Open New Doors. --S.E.C.O.N.D.--
=~=!=@= #=$=%=
Co-Founder IndianaFIRST

Share your FIRST photos on Flickr!
Reply With Quote
  #4   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 20-07-2008, 21:15
wilsonmw04's Avatar
wilsonmw04 wilsonmw04 is offline
Coach
FRC #1086 (Blue Cheese)
Team Role: Teacher
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Rookie Year: 2007
Location: Midlothian, VA
Posts: 1,887
wilsonmw04 has a reputation beyond reputewilsonmw04 has a reputation beyond reputewilsonmw04 has a reputation beyond reputewilsonmw04 has a reputation beyond reputewilsonmw04 has a reputation beyond reputewilsonmw04 has a reputation beyond reputewilsonmw04 has a reputation beyond reputewilsonmw04 has a reputation beyond reputewilsonmw04 has a reputation beyond reputewilsonmw04 has a reputation beyond reputewilsonmw04 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Why must Apple draw me towards them?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh Hambright View Post
Behold the Mighty Mouse!
But my lap doesn't have room for a mouse ;-)
__________________
Currently: Coach FRC 1086/FTC 93
2006-2011 Coach FRC 2106/FTC 35
If you come to a FRC event to see a robot competition, you are missing the point.
Reply With Quote
  #5   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 20-07-2008, 21:18
Josh Hambright's Avatar
Josh Hambright Josh Hambright is offline
{Error Processing Custom Title}
AKA: oneangrydwarf/jtosh
no team (old school gangsta)
Team Role: Alumni
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Rookie Year: 2000
Location: Indiana
Posts: 1,421
Josh Hambright has a reputation beyond reputeJosh Hambright has a reputation beyond reputeJosh Hambright has a reputation beyond reputeJosh Hambright has a reputation beyond reputeJosh Hambright has a reputation beyond reputeJosh Hambright has a reputation beyond reputeJosh Hambright has a reputation beyond reputeJosh Hambright has a reputation beyond reputeJosh Hambright has a reputation beyond reputeJosh Hambright has a reputation beyond reputeJosh Hambright has a reputation beyond repute
Send a message via AIM to Josh Hambright
Re: Why must Apple draw me towards them?

Quote:
Originally Posted by wilsonmw04 View Post
But my lap doesn't have room for a mouse ;-)
On a completely off topic note. Apples portable computers are actualy refered to as "Notebooks" not laptops due to the heat produced by their batteries, the weight and other reasons. Most portable computers anymore are not actualy marketed as a laptop due to these reasons, as a matter of fact it actualy said somewhere in my ibook G4's manual not to place the computer on your lap as you could get burned.
__________________
Former 461 Student/Mentor. Former 1272 and 1018 Mentor. Team 1555 Super-Fan.
Science and Engineering Can Open New Doors. --S.E.C.O.N.D.--
=~=!=@= #=$=%=
Co-Founder IndianaFIRST

Share your FIRST photos on Flickr!
Reply With Quote
  #6   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 20-07-2008, 21:43
Joe Matt's Avatar
Joe Matt Joe Matt is offline
Wake Up Get Up Get Out There
no team
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Rookie Year: 2001
Location: CAK
Posts: 5,067
Joe Matt has a reputation beyond reputeJoe Matt has a reputation beyond reputeJoe Matt has a reputation beyond reputeJoe Matt has a reputation beyond reputeJoe Matt has a reputation beyond reputeJoe Matt has a reputation beyond reputeJoe Matt has a reputation beyond reputeJoe Matt has a reputation beyond reputeJoe Matt has a reputation beyond reputeJoe Matt has a reputation beyond reputeJoe Matt has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Why must Apple draw me towards them?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh Hambright View Post
On a completely off topic note. Apples portable computers are actualy refered to as "Notebooks" not laptops due to the heat produced by their batteries, the weight and other reasons. Most portable computers anymore are not actualy marketed as a laptop due to these reasons, as a matter of fact it actualy said somewhere in my ibook G4's manual not to place the computer on your lap as you could get burned.
And sterile. I want kids some day...
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #7   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 20-07-2008, 22:26
artdutra04's Avatar
artdutra04 artdutra04 is offline
VEX Robotics Engineer
AKA: Arthur Dutra IV; NERD #18
FRC #0148 (Robowranglers)
Team Role: Engineer
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Rookie Year: 2002
Location: Greenville, TX
Posts: 3,078
artdutra04 has a reputation beyond reputeartdutra04 has a reputation beyond reputeartdutra04 has a reputation beyond reputeartdutra04 has a reputation beyond reputeartdutra04 has a reputation beyond reputeartdutra04 has a reputation beyond reputeartdutra04 has a reputation beyond reputeartdutra04 has a reputation beyond reputeartdutra04 has a reputation beyond reputeartdutra04 has a reputation beyond reputeartdutra04 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Why must Apple draw me towards them?

I've generally preferred Macs. It's hard to quantify why, unless one has used a Mac for several weeks. After using them for a while, there's a lot of things about them seems less stressful than Windows. I hate sounding trite when I say they just work, but the level of "maintenance" they need as compared to Windows is like night and day.

And one of the best things I like is that Apple has great customer service. If you go to an Apple store, they treat you well, as any decent company should. It's the exact opposite of many other PC companies, like Microsoft or Dell, where if you try calling their tech support you get transferred to India or Taiwan or who-knows-where, just to sit on hold for twenty minutes because you are just a person and not a corporate customer. If I pay $300 for your operating system, I hate being treated as a second class customer because I'm not a huge corporation.

But don't get me wrong, when my new iMac gets in later this week one of the first things I'll be doing is using Boot Camp to install Windows Vista 64-bit. While I expect to stay in OSX like 90% of the time, I still need Windows for SolidWorks, CAM, and some gaming (though I'm by no means what one would consider a hardcore gamer).
__________________
Art Dutra IV
Robotics Engineer, VEX Robotics, Inc., a subsidiary of Innovation First International (IFI)
Robowranglers Team 148 | GUS Robotics Team 228 (Alumni) | Rho Beta Epsilon (Alumni) | @arthurdutra

世上无难事,只怕有心人.
Reply With Quote
  #8   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 20-07-2008, 23:34
Michael Hill's Avatar
Michael Hill Michael Hill is offline
Registered User
FRC #3138 (Innovators Robotics)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Rookie Year: 2003
Location: Dayton, OH
Posts: 1,576
Michael Hill has a reputation beyond reputeMichael Hill has a reputation beyond reputeMichael Hill has a reputation beyond reputeMichael Hill has a reputation beyond reputeMichael Hill has a reputation beyond reputeMichael Hill has a reputation beyond reputeMichael Hill has a reputation beyond reputeMichael Hill has a reputation beyond reputeMichael Hill has a reputation beyond reputeMichael Hill has a reputation beyond reputeMichael Hill has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Why must Apple draw me towards them?

I am a pretty hardcore gamer. However, being a hardcore gamer, I already have a desktop gaming rig for that.
Reply With Quote
  #9   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 21-07-2008, 02:16
Renee Becker-Blau's Avatar
Renee Becker-Blau Renee Becker-Blau is offline
Lady Logistics
AKA: Renee
no team
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: May 2006
Rookie Year: 2005
Location: Indianapolis, IN
Posts: 222
Renee Becker-Blau has a reputation beyond reputeRenee Becker-Blau has a reputation beyond reputeRenee Becker-Blau has a reputation beyond reputeRenee Becker-Blau has a reputation beyond reputeRenee Becker-Blau has a reputation beyond reputeRenee Becker-Blau has a reputation beyond reputeRenee Becker-Blau has a reputation beyond reputeRenee Becker-Blau has a reputation beyond reputeRenee Becker-Blau has a reputation beyond reputeRenee Becker-Blau has a reputation beyond reputeRenee Becker-Blau has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Why must Apple draw me towards them?

I've used Apple for about three years now and I like them a lot more then PCs. I use I-movie to make videos and I-photos to store the pictures. I like the layout it had and to get rid of that annoying no right click problem, just plug in a normal USB mouse if you can. Apple seems very clean cut and there arn't many viruses for them (my team tells me that's because no one would want to even touch a Mac because people don't like them that much...)

I'm not sure if I helped but I'm all for Apple!

Renee
__________________
Renee Becker-Blau
Executive Director of IndianaFIRST
Twitter: @IndianaFIRST


FRC 1675 Alumnus
Founder of the MN Alumni Organization, GO FIRST - Est. 2009 . 2011-2014 NEMO/Roundtable Meeting Facilitator- WI, IL, MN, IN . 2012- 2013 FSM- MN & Mentor FRC 3184 . 2013 - 2014 FIRST AmeriCorps VISTA - IN . Mentor FRC 1529 . 2014 - Now Executive Director of IndianaFIRST
Reply With Quote
  #10   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 21-07-2008, 09:24
ComradeNikolai ComradeNikolai is offline
Registered User
AKA: Nicholas
FRC #2603 (Team Hornet)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Rookie Year: 2008
Location: Medina, Ohio
Posts: 203
ComradeNikolai is a splendid one to beholdComradeNikolai is a splendid one to beholdComradeNikolai is a splendid one to beholdComradeNikolai is a splendid one to beholdComradeNikolai is a splendid one to beholdComradeNikolai is a splendid one to beholdComradeNikolai is a splendid one to behold
Re: Why must Apple draw me towards them?

Well, Macs have the advantage of stability, something almost no PC can say, and, as mentioned, they just work. Our coach / CS teacher uses a mac for these reasons.

What I recommend, however, is to get a PC and install a linux distro, Ubuntu works pretty easily. But that's just me...
__________________
I cut myself shaving with Occam's razor.

Reply With Quote
  #11   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 21-07-2008, 09:43
wilsonmw04's Avatar
wilsonmw04 wilsonmw04 is offline
Coach
FRC #1086 (Blue Cheese)
Team Role: Teacher
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Rookie Year: 2007
Location: Midlothian, VA
Posts: 1,887
wilsonmw04 has a reputation beyond reputewilsonmw04 has a reputation beyond reputewilsonmw04 has a reputation beyond reputewilsonmw04 has a reputation beyond reputewilsonmw04 has a reputation beyond reputewilsonmw04 has a reputation beyond reputewilsonmw04 has a reputation beyond reputewilsonmw04 has a reputation beyond reputewilsonmw04 has a reputation beyond reputewilsonmw04 has a reputation beyond reputewilsonmw04 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Why must Apple draw me towards them?

Quote:
Originally Posted by ComradeNikolai View Post
Well, Macs have the advantage of stability, something almost no PC can say, and, as mentioned, they just work.
Let's not be over dramatic here. Like i said before, I use both a Mac and a PC (my own build) everyday. The stability of the two systems are equally good.
__________________
Currently: Coach FRC 1086/FTC 93
2006-2011 Coach FRC 2106/FTC 35
If you come to a FRC event to see a robot competition, you are missing the point.
Reply With Quote
  #12   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 21-07-2008, 10:11
Michael Hill's Avatar
Michael Hill Michael Hill is offline
Registered User
FRC #3138 (Innovators Robotics)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Rookie Year: 2003
Location: Dayton, OH
Posts: 1,576
Michael Hill has a reputation beyond reputeMichael Hill has a reputation beyond reputeMichael Hill has a reputation beyond reputeMichael Hill has a reputation beyond reputeMichael Hill has a reputation beyond reputeMichael Hill has a reputation beyond reputeMichael Hill has a reputation beyond reputeMichael Hill has a reputation beyond reputeMichael Hill has a reputation beyond reputeMichael Hill has a reputation beyond reputeMichael Hill has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Why must Apple draw me towards them?

I actually am rather well versed in most other major operating systems including Windows, RHEL, Solaris, Ubuntu (and other distros of linux). I do have Ubuntu dual booted on my gaming rig. Actually, I decided to go the cheap route of using Wubi. Not exactly dual booting, but good enough, though there are SOME minor annoyances. Funny thing, I'm typing this on a Mac right now in one of Purdue's computer labs. As far as stability goes, I don't really have any problems on any of my operating systems. I can't even remember last time I had Windows crash. In fact, I've had to restart X so many times due to Ubuntu hanging. From my experience, Ubuntu has more lockups than XP has had for me.
Reply With Quote
  #13   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 21-07-2008, 10:23
IndySam's Avatar
IndySam IndySam is offline
Registered User
FRC #0829 (Digital Goats)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Rookie Year: 2004
Location: Indy
Posts: 3,360
IndySam has a reputation beyond reputeIndySam has a reputation beyond reputeIndySam has a reputation beyond reputeIndySam has a reputation beyond reputeIndySam has a reputation beyond reputeIndySam has a reputation beyond reputeIndySam has a reputation beyond reputeIndySam has a reputation beyond reputeIndySam has a reputation beyond reputeIndySam has a reputation beyond reputeIndySam has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Why must Apple draw me towards them?

Quote:
Originally Posted by ComradeNikolai View Post
Well, Macs have the advantage of stability, something almost no PC can say, and, as mentioned, they just work. Our coach / CS teacher uses a mac for these reasons.

What I recommend, however, is to get a PC and install a linux distro, Ubuntu works pretty easily. But that's just me...
Well when Mac comes out with a new OS they simply say if your old equipment doesn't work too bad buy new stuff. It's easy to keep things stable that way.

When you are a small player you can get away with that, Microsoft doesn't have that option.
__________________
"Champions are champions not because they do anything extraordinary but because they do the ordinary things better than anyone else." —Chuck Knoll


2015 Indianapolis District Winner
2014 Boilermaker Regional Industrial Design Award
2013 Smoky Mountain Regional Industrial Design Award
2012 Boilermaker Engineering Excellence Award
2010 Boilermaker Rockwell Innovation in Control Award.
2009 Buckeye J&J Gracious Professionalism Award
2009 Boilermaker J&J Gracious Professionalism Award
2008 Boilermaker J&J Gracious Professionalism Award
2007 St Louis Regional Winners
Reply With Quote
  #14   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 21-07-2008, 11:33
MrForbes's Avatar
MrForbes MrForbes is offline
Registered User
AKA: Jim
FRC #1726 (N.E.R.D.S.)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Rookie Year: 2006
Location: Sierra Vista AZ
Posts: 6,016
MrForbes has a reputation beyond reputeMrForbes has a reputation beyond reputeMrForbes has a reputation beyond reputeMrForbes has a reputation beyond reputeMrForbes has a reputation beyond reputeMrForbes has a reputation beyond reputeMrForbes has a reputation beyond reputeMrForbes has a reputation beyond reputeMrForbes has a reputation beyond reputeMrForbes has a reputation beyond reputeMrForbes has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Why must Apple draw me towards them?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael Hill View Post
From my experience, Ubuntu has more lockups than XP has had for me.
Me too.

I don't have enough experience with modern Macs to have any opinions about them....

Apple has finally figured out what they need to do to be competitive with the rest of the computer industry, it's nice to see they're giving people like you a serious choice now!

I'm low budget, so until they make that offer at $499 I'll stick to the cheap windows based machines...mostly building my own.
Reply With Quote
  #15   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 21-07-2008, 13:05
ComradeNikolai ComradeNikolai is offline
Registered User
AKA: Nicholas
FRC #2603 (Team Hornet)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Rookie Year: 2008
Location: Medina, Ohio
Posts: 203
ComradeNikolai is a splendid one to beholdComradeNikolai is a splendid one to beholdComradeNikolai is a splendid one to beholdComradeNikolai is a splendid one to beholdComradeNikolai is a splendid one to beholdComradeNikolai is a splendid one to beholdComradeNikolai is a splendid one to behold
Re: Why must Apple draw me towards them?

Quote:
Originally Posted by wilsonmw04 View Post
Let's not be over dramatic here. Like i said before, I use both a Mac and a PC (my own build) everyday. The stability of the two systems are equally good.
Eh, when set up well, Windows can and usually is fairly stable, but there are a lot of holes in the security which can be exploited if you don't install all the service packs and security updates (which is probably why they're security updates, then). That having been said, I've never had a crash or a problem with my Ubuntu computer, but I have had a whole array of problems with all my PCs. Maybe it's because I've had the PCs running on Windows longer, but still... Additionally, as someone said, they control all the hardware in it, so it's going to be more stable because they can make sure everything interfaces perfectly.
__________________
I cut myself shaving with Occam's razor.

Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Correct use of FIRST terms - use them, love them! Jessica Boucher General Forum 27 06-01-2014 14:52
Who says an Apple product can't have a virus? Not Apple. Elgin Clock Chit-Chat 3 18-10-2006 13:21
Have you gotten your robot to go towards the vision tetra? Bharat Nain Programming 20 25-02-2005 20:18
Why MUST the 7.2v battery be attached to operate servos on the RC? Mike Rush Control System 17 06-02-2004 18:57
FRC 16 channels of ADC - must we use them all? Larry Barello Programming 7 12-01-2004 21:44


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 21:34.

The Chief Delphi Forums are sponsored by Innovation First International, Inc.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © Chief Delphi