Go to Post Sloppy thinking leads to sloppy designs... - Joe Johnson [more]
Home
Go Back   Chief Delphi > FIRST > General Forum
CD-Media   CD-Spy  
portal register members calendar search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read FAQ rules

 
Reply
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
  #1   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 28-07-2008, 14:38
SlaminSwimster's Avatar
SlaminSwimster SlaminSwimster is offline
Registered User
FRC #2614 (MARS)
Team Role: Alumni
 
Join Date: May 2008
Rookie Year: 2008
Location: Morgantown, WV
Posts: 76
SlaminSwimster has a brilliant futureSlaminSwimster has a brilliant futureSlaminSwimster has a brilliant futureSlaminSwimster has a brilliant futureSlaminSwimster has a brilliant futureSlaminSwimster has a brilliant futureSlaminSwimster has a brilliant futureSlaminSwimster has a brilliant futureSlaminSwimster has a brilliant futureSlaminSwimster has a brilliant futureSlaminSwimster has a brilliant future
What Do You Wish You Would Have Known Your Rookie Year?

I was asking around my team and wanted to put this question out to everyone. What do you wish you would have known you rookie year and/ or what lesson did you learn your rookie year? I am compiling this for fun and also to make a list that might be helpful to future rookie teams. If you learned something, made some mistake, or wish you would have known something, please speak up so future rookies can avoid it!

I for one wish i would have known about MOE's amazing website for rookies.
__________________
You can sleep when your dead - Warren Zevon

Imagination is more important than knowledge -Albert Einstein
Reply With Quote
  #2   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 28-07-2008, 14:49
AndyB's Avatar
AndyB AndyB is offline
Ambitiously Disappointing
AKA: Andy Burchardt
FRC #0171 (Cheese Curd Herd)
Team Role: College Student
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Rookie Year: 2004
Location: Platteville, WI
Posts: 1,185
AndyB has a reputation beyond reputeAndyB has a reputation beyond reputeAndyB has a reputation beyond reputeAndyB has a reputation beyond reputeAndyB has a reputation beyond reputeAndyB has a reputation beyond reputeAndyB has a reputation beyond reputeAndyB has a reputation beyond reputeAndyB has a reputation beyond reputeAndyB has a reputation beyond reputeAndyB has a reputation beyond repute
Re: What Do You Wish You Would Have Known Your Rookie Year?

FIRST is more than a club. It's more than building a robot. The sooner you get that, the sooner you you will see it's benefits.

Possibly the hardest role of a mentor is not teaching, but getting people to learn- getting them involved. If I could have figured out anything, it would have been the benefits of FIRST and how real of a program it really is. Once you've figured that out, the learning starts. The ceiling of FIRST is inexistent.
__________________
Team 171 :: Cheese Curd Herd :: College Mentor, 2008-Present
Team 269 :: CooneyTech Robotics :: Student, 2005-2007
Reply With Quote
  #3   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 28-07-2008, 14:52
Karibou Karibou is offline
Steel is love. Steel is life.
AKA: Kara Bakowski
FRC #0341 (Miss Daisy)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Rookie Year: 2008
Location: Conshohocken, PA
Posts: 1,852
Karibou has a reputation beyond reputeKaribou has a reputation beyond reputeKaribou has a reputation beyond reputeKaribou has a reputation beyond reputeKaribou has a reputation beyond reputeKaribou has a reputation beyond reputeKaribou has a reputation beyond reputeKaribou has a reputation beyond reputeKaribou has a reputation beyond reputeKaribou has a reputation beyond reputeKaribou has a reputation beyond repute
Send a message via AIM to Karibou
Re: What Do You Wish You Would Have Known Your Rookie Year?

Oooo...let's see, what did I learn this past year...

Oh yeah, when machining, ALWAYS stay concentrated. If you're going to look away for a minute and watch someone/something else, turn the machine off.
Not doing so will more than likely result in scars, blood, and fingernails being ripped off (learned, unfortunately, from experience. I have a very lovely scar on my wrist from a drill press...it makes me look suicidal.)

If you want to be on mechanical (or electrical, or design, or marketing, or programming, etc), GO FOR IT! Don't let other people try to decide what you want to do. As a rookie--or even an experienced member--feel free to explore all of the aspects of the team. It doesn't matter if you don't know how to CAD, or how to use a lathe...if you want to learn, someone will always be willing to show you the ropes.

And...your mentors are your friends. If you're not sure of something, they probably know the answer to it, and if they don't, they will point you to someone who does. (I was scared to death of half of my mentors at the beginning of the season, and aren't anymore)

Just watch, as soon as I have to get off the computer, I'll think of half a dozen more.
__________________
Kara Bakowski
Michigan Technological University///Materials Science and Engineering '15///Go Huskies! #tenacity
kabakowski(at)gmail(dot)com
FRC 341 (2016-present): Mechanical/build mentor
Volunteer (2010-present): MAR Seneca '17, FTC Hat Tricks Qualifier '16, Brunswick Eruption '16, MAR Montgomery '16, MAR Westtown '16 Portcullis Victim, MAR Springside-Chestnut Hill '16, Ramp Riot '15 '16, FiM Escanaba District '14 '15, MidKnight Mayhem '13 '15 '16, FiM Detroit District '13, IRI '10 '12, FiM Waterford District '11 '12, MARC '12, CMP Galileo '11
FRC 1189 (2008-2011): Team Captain, Pit Crew, Website group leader, Team Education group leader, Proud Alum. We've got spirit, yes we do...


WMWBS '10 '11
Reply With Quote
  #4   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 28-07-2008, 15:04
tennispro9911 tennispro9911 is offline
Alumni
AKA: Matt
FRC #2053 (TigerTronics)
Team Role: Alumni
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Rookie Year: 2006
Location: Endicott
Posts: 86
tennispro9911 is a splendid one to beholdtennispro9911 is a splendid one to beholdtennispro9911 is a splendid one to beholdtennispro9911 is a splendid one to beholdtennispro9911 is a splendid one to beholdtennispro9911 is a splendid one to beholdtennispro9911 is a splendid one to beholdtennispro9911 is a splendid one to behold
Send a message via AIM to tennispro9911
Re: What Do You Wish You Would Have Known Your Rookie Year?

Ok, Chief Delphi. Amazing resourse, and there is a lot of discussion on different ideas and ways to approach the game after the kickoff.

Mechanical Resources. AndyMark, we didn't know about. T-Slot aluminum.
__________________
2053 Alumni

Reply With Quote
  #5   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 28-07-2008, 15:13
AndyB's Avatar
AndyB AndyB is offline
Ambitiously Disappointing
AKA: Andy Burchardt
FRC #0171 (Cheese Curd Herd)
Team Role: College Student
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Rookie Year: 2004
Location: Platteville, WI
Posts: 1,185
AndyB has a reputation beyond reputeAndyB has a reputation beyond reputeAndyB has a reputation beyond reputeAndyB has a reputation beyond reputeAndyB has a reputation beyond reputeAndyB has a reputation beyond reputeAndyB has a reputation beyond reputeAndyB has a reputation beyond reputeAndyB has a reputation beyond reputeAndyB has a reputation beyond reputeAndyB has a reputation beyond repute
Re: What Do You Wish You Would Have Known Your Rookie Year?

One more thing:

Don't waste time complaining about things out of your control. Just work harder.
__________________
Team 171 :: Cheese Curd Herd :: College Mentor, 2008-Present
Team 269 :: CooneyTech Robotics :: Student, 2005-2007
Reply With Quote
  #6   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 28-07-2008, 15:19
ComradeNikolai ComradeNikolai is offline
Registered User
AKA: Nicholas
FRC #2603 (Team Hornet)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Rookie Year: 2008
Location: Medina, Ohio
Posts: 203
ComradeNikolai is a splendid one to beholdComradeNikolai is a splendid one to beholdComradeNikolai is a splendid one to beholdComradeNikolai is a splendid one to beholdComradeNikolai is a splendid one to beholdComradeNikolai is a splendid one to beholdComradeNikolai is a splendid one to behold
Re: What Do You Wish You Would Have Known Your Rookie Year?

The importance of establishing a drive team. We had more drivers than we could use, so we had to decide who drove at the competition at the cost of getting less practice in for the main drive team (who I still applaud for their efforts).

The importance of reading the rules. We had to change part of our design the Friday before ship (a day off of school thankfully, and the dedicated were all there).

The importance of good mentors / sponsors. In the aforementioned disaster, we managed to get a custom drum for a motor machined by NASA before noon on Friday, as well as a mounting bracket for the motor (we're forever grateful).
__________________
I cut myself shaving with Occam's razor.

Reply With Quote
  #7   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 28-07-2008, 15:29
Karibou Karibou is offline
Steel is love. Steel is life.
AKA: Kara Bakowski
FRC #0341 (Miss Daisy)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Rookie Year: 2008
Location: Conshohocken, PA
Posts: 1,852
Karibou has a reputation beyond reputeKaribou has a reputation beyond reputeKaribou has a reputation beyond reputeKaribou has a reputation beyond reputeKaribou has a reputation beyond reputeKaribou has a reputation beyond reputeKaribou has a reputation beyond reputeKaribou has a reputation beyond reputeKaribou has a reputation beyond reputeKaribou has a reputation beyond reputeKaribou has a reputation beyond repute
Send a message via AIM to Karibou
Re: What Do You Wish You Would Have Known Your Rookie Year?

Quote:
Originally Posted by ComradeNikolai View Post
The importance of reading the rules.
I second that...I found that reading the rulebook came in handy...though I took it to the extreme and read it so much, I had it pretty much memorized by the middle of week two. Because everyone checked with one of the mentors, myself, or the rulebook (in the rare case that they couldn't find any of us) before adding something to the bot, I can't remember us ever being told at competitions that we couldn't use something. Knowing what you can and can't use is a VERY good thing to know at competitions, because you don't always have time to check the actual rulebook to verify the legality of a part. If someone knows the rulebook back to front...
__________________
Kara Bakowski
Michigan Technological University///Materials Science and Engineering '15///Go Huskies! #tenacity
kabakowski(at)gmail(dot)com
FRC 341 (2016-present): Mechanical/build mentor
Volunteer (2010-present): MAR Seneca '17, FTC Hat Tricks Qualifier '16, Brunswick Eruption '16, MAR Montgomery '16, MAR Westtown '16 Portcullis Victim, MAR Springside-Chestnut Hill '16, Ramp Riot '15 '16, FiM Escanaba District '14 '15, MidKnight Mayhem '13 '15 '16, FiM Detroit District '13, IRI '10 '12, FiM Waterford District '11 '12, MARC '12, CMP Galileo '11
FRC 1189 (2008-2011): Team Captain, Pit Crew, Website group leader, Team Education group leader, Proud Alum. We've got spirit, yes we do...


WMWBS '10 '11
Reply With Quote
  #8   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 28-07-2008, 15:30
Nica F.'s Avatar
Nica F. Nica F. is offline
Mechanical Design Engineer
AKA: That silly panda girl from back in the day.
no team
Team Role: Engineer
 
Join Date: May 2005
Rookie Year: 2005
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Posts: 576
Nica F. has a reputation beyond reputeNica F. has a reputation beyond reputeNica F. has a reputation beyond reputeNica F. has a reputation beyond reputeNica F. has a reputation beyond reputeNica F. has a reputation beyond reputeNica F. has a reputation beyond reputeNica F. has a reputation beyond reputeNica F. has a reputation beyond reputeNica F. has a reputation beyond reputeNica F. has a reputation beyond repute
Re: What Do You Wish You Would Have Known Your Rookie Year?

Things that are good to know your rookie year:
-Don't be afraid to ask for help because as a rookie no one expects you to know everything.
-Don't hide mistakes, because someone's gonna find out anyways and they really won't get mad if it's accidental.
(If you mess up on a part for example, don't throw your messed up part where the excess stock is cause they'll find it.. trust me. )
-Meet a lot of people at Robotics competitions because you'll get to meet people you can learn a great deal from or just make good friends. (I feel like I've met a lot of people, but I always wonder how many more I could have met if I took the time to more in my Freshman year)
-Take as much as you can from the program, try somethign new every year. For example you can say something like, "This year, I'm going to learn how to do Pneumatics"
__________________
Product Designer, Mechanical Engineer
Purdue Aeronautical and Astronautical Engineer Graduate - Boiler up!
Team 22 Double Deuce / Team 4 Element Alumni / Former 1646 Precision Guessworks Mentor
Reply With Quote
  #9   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 28-07-2008, 15:32
tennispro9911 tennispro9911 is offline
Alumni
AKA: Matt
FRC #2053 (TigerTronics)
Team Role: Alumni
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Rookie Year: 2006
Location: Endicott
Posts: 86
tennispro9911 is a splendid one to beholdtennispro9911 is a splendid one to beholdtennispro9911 is a splendid one to beholdtennispro9911 is a splendid one to beholdtennispro9911 is a splendid one to beholdtennispro9911 is a splendid one to beholdtennispro9911 is a splendid one to beholdtennispro9911 is a splendid one to behold
Send a message via AIM to tennispro9911
Re: What Do You Wish You Would Have Known Your Rookie Year?

Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyB View Post
One more thing:

Don't waste time complaining about things out of your control. Just work harder.
But its fun to complain =D.

Seriously, the drive team comment made me think of all the sub-teams that teams should have. Not just mechanical, software, electronics and however teams break it up, but also marketing, fundraising, pit design, button w/e, and things like that. Talk to teams about what will happen at the competitions like handing out buttons, and the importance of safety. How important an efficient cart is, etc.
__________________
2053 Alumni

Reply With Quote
  #10   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 28-07-2008, 16:01
Bob Steele's Avatar
Bob Steele Bob Steele is offline
Professional Steamacrit Hunter
AKA: Bob Steele
FRC #1983 (Skunk Works Robotics)
Team Role: Coach
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Rookie Year: 2002
Location: Seattle, Washington
Posts: 1,523
Bob Steele has a reputation beyond reputeBob Steele has a reputation beyond reputeBob Steele has a reputation beyond reputeBob Steele has a reputation beyond reputeBob Steele has a reputation beyond reputeBob Steele has a reputation beyond reputeBob Steele has a reputation beyond reputeBob Steele has a reputation beyond reputeBob Steele has a reputation beyond reputeBob Steele has a reputation beyond reputeBob Steele has a reputation beyond repute
Re: What Do You Wish You Would Have Known Your Rookie Year?

Life is not fair..... get over it....

If it were easy.... everyone would do it....
__________________
Raisbeck Aviation High School TEAM 1983 - Seattle, Washington
Las Vegas 07 WINNER w/ 1425/254...Seattle 08 WINNER w/ 2046/949.. Oregon 09 WINNER w/1318/2635..SEA 10 RCA ..Spokane 12 WINNER w/2122/4082 and RCA...Central Wa 13 WINNER w/1425/753..Seattle 13 WINNER w/948/492 & RCA ..Spokane 13 WINNER w/2471/4125.. Spokane 14 - DCA --Auburn 14 - WINNER w/1318/4960..District CMP 14 WINNER w/1318/2907, District CMA.. CMP 14 Newton Finalist w 971/341/3147 ... Auburn Mountainview 15 WINNER w/1318/3049 - Mt Vernon 15 WINNER w/1318/4654 - Philomath 15 WINNER w/955/847 -District CMP 15 WINNER w/955/2930 & District CMA -CMP Newton -Industrial Design Award

Reply With Quote
  #11   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 28-07-2008, 16:20
bigbeezy's Avatar
bigbeezy bigbeezy is offline
Registered User
AKA: Bryan
FRC #2338 (Gear it Forward)
Team Role: Coach
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Rookie Year: 2005
Location: Oswego, IL
Posts: 310
bigbeezy is a splendid one to beholdbigbeezy is a splendid one to beholdbigbeezy is a splendid one to beholdbigbeezy is a splendid one to beholdbigbeezy is a splendid one to beholdbigbeezy is a splendid one to beholdbigbeezy is a splendid one to beholdbigbeezy is a splendid one to behold
Send a message via AIM to bigbeezy
Re: What Do You Wish You Would Have Known Your Rookie Year?

For me, and the rest of our team that started our rookie year, I would have to say knowing what to expect come build season. Mainly, what in the world could we build in 6 weeks to do this task of stacking tetras? We had practiced with the EDU-Bot the fall prior, but once Kick-off came we all didnt have a clue what to do. Our mentors, who had worked with 233 the year before, decided to have us start by building the kit-bot chassis and go from there since none of us kids could come up with any design ideas. Once we got started building, designs started comming to mind and we were able to make a pretty competitive bot. Having never seen one of these robots made life a whole lot harder.
__________________
Team 1592 Bionic Tigers -- Driver 2005-2008
Winner - Florida Regional 2005
Finalist - Newton Division 2007
Winner - Colorado Regional 2008
Florida State University - BS Mechanical Engineering
Team 2338 Gear it Forward -- Mentor/Drive Coach 2013-Present
Winner - Wisconsin Regional 2013
Chairman's Award - Midwest Regional 2015
Winner - Archimedes Sub-Division 2015
Chairman's Award - Midwest Regional 2016
Reply With Quote
  #12   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 28-07-2008, 17:01
Cory's Avatar
Cory Cory is offline
Registered User
AKA: Cory McBride
FRC #0254 (The Cheesy Poofs)
Team Role: Engineer
 
Join Date: May 2002
Rookie Year: 2001
Location: Redwood City, CA
Posts: 6,809
Cory has a reputation beyond reputeCory has a reputation beyond reputeCory has a reputation beyond reputeCory has a reputation beyond reputeCory has a reputation beyond reputeCory has a reputation beyond reputeCory has a reputation beyond reputeCory has a reputation beyond reputeCory has a reputation beyond reputeCory has a reputation beyond reputeCory has a reputation beyond repute
Send a message via AIM to Cory
Re: What Do You Wish You Would Have Known Your Rookie Year?

Jump right in. You may think you're being a pain in the you know what by constantly asking questions, or standing behind your mentors/experienced team members, observing everything you do, but those are the kids the mentors like most, because they're the ones who will be running the team 2-3 years later.

As a mentor, it's hard to reach the students who are quieter and don't make an effort to be a part of what's going on--there's too few of us, and too many students, so naturally the students who put themselves out there and are most willing to learn, and take on new tasks will be the students who get the most attention.
__________________
2001-2004: Team 100
2006-Present: Team 254
Reply With Quote
  #13   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 28-07-2008, 19:15
Billfred's Avatar
Billfred Billfred is offline
...and you can't! teach! that!
FRC #5402 (Iron Kings); no team (AndyMark)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Rookie Year: 2004
Location: The Land of the Kokomese, IN
Posts: 8,533
Billfred has a reputation beyond reputeBillfred has a reputation beyond reputeBillfred has a reputation beyond reputeBillfred has a reputation beyond reputeBillfred has a reputation beyond reputeBillfred has a reputation beyond reputeBillfred has a reputation beyond reputeBillfred has a reputation beyond reputeBillfred has a reputation beyond reputeBillfred has a reputation beyond reputeBillfred has a reputation beyond repute
Re: What Do You Wish You Would Have Known Your Rookie Year?

a) Talk to people. I'm not an engineer, machinist, educator, or philosopher, but talking with folks who are will yield you a lot of insight.

b) It goes back to a), but: Get on CD. Find as many relevant pieces of the manual (or old threads) to your question, and ask your question. (There are no stupid questions, just people who have clearly not read the manual.)

c) You have to have someone prototyping a manipulator from the start (as in not the end) of build season, or as soon as you have a general concept. Don't leave that to the end of build.

d) The drill transmissions will fall apart without warning. (Hey, my rookie year was 2004. I'm entitled. )

e) Practice, practice, practice. (Just not around the new computers the school just bought and put on rather rickety tables.)

f) Never. Do. Window. Motor. Drive.
__________________
William "Billfred" Leverette - Gamecock/Jessica Boucher victim/Marketing & Sales Specialist at AndyMark

2004-2006: FRC 1293 (D5 Robotics) - Student, Mentor, Coach
2007-2009: FRC 1618 (Capital Robotics) - Mentor, Coach
2009-2013: FRC 2815 (Los Pollos Locos) - Mentor, Coach - Palmetto '09, Peachtree '11, Palmetto '11, Palmetto '12
2010: FRC 1398 (Keenan Robo-Raiders) - Mentor - Palmetto '10
2014-2016: FRC 4901 (Garnet Squadron) - Co-Founder and Head Bot Coach - Orlando '14, SCRIW '16
2017-: FRC 5402 (Iron Kings) - Mentor

94 events (more than will fit in a ChiefDelphi signature), 14 seasons, over 61,000 miles, and still on a mission from Bob.

Rule #1: Do not die. Rule #2: Be respectful. Rule #3: Be safe. Rule #4: Follow the handbook.
Reply With Quote
  #14   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 28-07-2008, 19:30
dlavery's Avatar
dlavery dlavery is offline
Curmudgeon
FRC #0116 (Epsilon Delta)
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Rookie Year: 1996
Location: Herndon, VA
Posts: 3,176
dlavery has a reputation beyond reputedlavery has a reputation beyond reputedlavery has a reputation beyond reputedlavery has a reputation beyond reputedlavery has a reputation beyond reputedlavery has a reputation beyond reputedlavery has a reputation beyond reputedlavery has a reputation beyond reputedlavery has a reputation beyond reputedlavery has a reputation beyond reputedlavery has a reputation beyond repute
Re: What Do You Wish You Would Have Known Your Rookie Year?

Learn to swim.

-dave



.
__________________
"I know what you're thinking, punk," hissed Wordy Harry to his new editor, "you're thinking, 'Did he use six superfluous adjectives or only five?' - and to tell the truth, I forgot myself in all this excitement; but being as this is English, the most powerful language in the world, whose subtle nuances will blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel loquacious?' - well do you, punk?"
- Stuart Vasepuru, 2006 Bulwer-Lytton Fiction Contest



My OTHER CAR is still on Mars!!!
Reply With Quote
  #15   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 28-07-2008, 19:30
R.C.'s Avatar
R.C. R.C. is offline
2017... Oooh Kill em, Swerve!
AKA: Owner, WestCoast Products
FRC #1323 (MadTown Robotics)
Team Role: Engineer
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Rookie Year: 2006
Location: Madera, CA
Posts: 2,181
R.C. has a reputation beyond reputeR.C. has a reputation beyond reputeR.C. has a reputation beyond reputeR.C. has a reputation beyond reputeR.C. has a reputation beyond reputeR.C. has a reputation beyond reputeR.C. has a reputation beyond reputeR.C. has a reputation beyond reputeR.C. has a reputation beyond reputeR.C. has a reputation beyond reputeR.C. has a reputation beyond repute
Re: What Do You Wish You Would Have Known Your Rookie Year?

I wish I had known that

-put an amp in the spike that controls the compressor
-andymark has hubs
-see if there is a cnc shop in town
-draw every piece of your robot in solidworks
-use high strand silicon wire from banebots
-use these motors with a gearbox (you can actually use these motors):
http://banebots.com/c/MOTOR-PLAN
__________________
R.C.
Owner, WestCoast Products || Twitter
MadTown Robotics Team 1323
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
What would you buy if you could? IKE Technical Discussion 53 23-07-2008 15:56
Vex Championship Tournaments - what would you like to have? KathieK FIRST Tech Challenge 11 23-08-2006 00:53
What do you wish you had known when starting college? Katy College & University Education 62 23-04-2006 19:52
What do you call a sale at your house of items that you have? Elgin Clock Chit-Chat 52 07-06-2005 17:44
What do you wish you knew about the new control system? Joe Ross Control System 2 09-01-2004 21:47


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:59.

The Chief Delphi Forums are sponsored by Innovation First International, Inc.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © Chief Delphi