pic: Jaguar next to Victor

[Akash Rastogi]

I've seen pretty unique ways of mounting electronics this year such as creating hidden cavities for different parts or having systems mounted higher up on frames. It just presents another challenge that teams should be able to hurdle over pretty easily.

EG of cool electronics mount: team 1323

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/30011

[Alan Anderson]

Originally Posted by artdutra04

What I am most concerned about though, is why they apparently wasted so much time making an eye-candy case when they could have devoted that time to instead making it smaller...

I'd have been happier if it had been made to fit on a DIN rail. This blobular design doesn't seem to take compact layout into consideration. Having connections on three sides won't make it easy to fit them closely.

[pacoliketaco]

in my opinion, the jaguar just doesn't look as nice as the victors. im sure that along with all other electronics this year, it will be much more accurate, so i guess that is a good thing. the size of this control system is really starting to worry me...
looking at the picture, it seems like we are getting new joysticks!

[Eugene Fang]

Originally Posted by pacoliketaco

in my opinion, the jaguar just doesn't look as nice as the victors. im sure that along with all other electronics this year, it will be much more accurate, so i guess that is a good thing. the size of this control system is really starting to worry me...
looking at the picture, it seems like we are getting new joysticks!

That looks like the $19.99 joystick found here http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/ga...icks/&cl=us,en

[R.C.]

Originally Posted by lilstogi11

I've seen pretty unique ways of mounting electronics this year such as creating hidden cavities for different parts or having systems mounted higher up on frames. It just presents another challenge that teams should be able to hurdle over pretty easily.

EG of cool electronics mount: team 1323

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/30011

Thanks for the compliment, we are planning to do the same this year and hopefully making it a tad bigger. To shield the electronics all you have to do is put a cover on it and zip tie it somewhere.

[Herodotus]

Our electrician this past year fit all of the electronics into slightly less than a square foot of space. Definitely will not happen next year. Really though, I hope that FIRST will simply allow us more options next year. Allow people to use either these new ones or the old victors.

Also, I don't know if this has been posted anywhere, but is there a price on these yet? Victors can be expensive enough. I can't see these being cheaper.

[roboticWanderor]

Honestly, I really like the use of these new speed controllers, along with the rest of the new control system. why?
- Requires no extra wiring of the fan, eliminating the risk that it will overheat due to bad crimps.
- If you notice, the mounting holes are symmetrical allowing them to be mounted back to back on either side of a surface, taking the space vertical instead of horizontal, something that the victors did not do.
- The built in limit switch control, as well as the promise for more possibilities in the future, such as CAM and integrated PID loops make this a simple solution for teams with low programming resources

That is just the new jaguar speed controller. The hardware of the new control and electronics system also provides a lot more benefits such as:

- The new breaker board unifies the breaker panels and distribution blocks into one board, with significantly better terminals than previous distribution blocks.
- One of the cRIO modules allows for high voltage digital I/O, in other words: replaces the need for a array of spikes to actuate pneumatic solenoids, in one simple module on the controller.
a separate "digital sidecar" plugged into a cRIO module serves as the lower voltage digital IO hub, centralizing all of your PWM cables away from the controller, allowing for the quick removal of the controller without worrying about rewiring. also, this hub can be placed closer to your speed controllers and other I/O as to limit the mess of PWM cables on the robot.
- All of the new electronics components are significantly more rugged, and designed for the life of a FIRST robot, not another application.

does not get you giddy about the benefits of the new system?
**As for the space consumption involved, yes the parts are bigger, but with a little creativity, some engineering and some skill, i know we can work around it, it's simply another design constraint, we're good at those, right?

[R.C.]

Originally Posted by roboticWanderor

Honestly, I really like the use of these new speed controllers, along with the rest of the new control system. why?
- Requires no extra wiring of the fan, eliminating the risk that it will overheat due to bad crimps.
- If you notice, the mounting holes are symmetrical allowing them to be mounted back to back on either side of a surface, taking the space vertical instead of horizontal, something that the victors did not do.
- The built in limit switch control, as well as the promise for more possibilities in the future, such as CAM and integrated PID loops make this a simple solution for teams with low programming resources

That is just the new jaguar speed controller. The hardware of the new control and electronics system also provides a lot more benefits such as:

- The new breaker board unifies the breaker panels and distribution blocks into one board, with significantly better terminals than previous distribution blocks.
- One of the cRIO modules allows for high voltage digital I/O, in other words: replaces the need for a array of spikes to actuate pneumatic solenoids, in one simple module on the controller.
a separate "digital sidecar" plugged into a cRIO module serves as the lower voltage digital IO hub, centralizing all of your PWM cables away from the controller, allowing for the quick removal of the controller without worrying about rewiring. also, this hub can be placed closer to your speed controllers and other I/O as to limit the mess of PWM cables on the robot.
- All of the new electronics components are significantly more rugged, and designed for the life of a FIRST robot, not another application.

does not get you giddy about the benefits of the new system?

agreed!

[yarb65]

There was talk in this thread about flying batteries. Happened to us,1662, in 06.

[samir13k]

I'm scared!

Our mechanical team is not going to be too happy about this!

I wonder if you are allowed to have two seperated electrical panels? One for Jaguars, and the other for the rest!

[ATannahill]

you can, we split our victors and spike for overdrive.

[R.C.]

Originally Posted by rtfgnow

you can, we split our victors and spike for overdrive.

So did 233.