Undecided about the 2008 presidential election?

[Nawaid Ladak]

Originally Posted by gblake

If studying platfoms comes first then I have a 2-part recommendation for what comes zero-th (because I distrust platforms and the processes that create them, and I believe actions speak louder than words).

0.a) Notice what powers are granted to the president/executive by the constitution (and give a little weight to the "bully pulpit" influence presidents exert over other parts of the government), and then ignore any claims candidates make about how they will accomplish objectives that simply are not within their power.

0.b) Look at the candidates' parties' platforms from several recent campaigns, and count how many of their planks actualy were accomplished and yielded the intended or promised net results.

Then carry out some of the other suggestions found in this thread.

Me - I personally like this approach to politics - "Any man who is under 30 and is not a Liberal has no heart; and any man who is over 30 and not a Conservative has no brains."

Quite obviously, healthy bodies need both hearts and brains.

Blake

i have to say... taht acutally makes some seince

Im a Volunteer and a proud donating supporter of Barack Obama, seince i really can't put it in my signiture

-Public Service Announcement-
Weather you live in a battleground state like me (Florida), or live in the most one sided city in America, you should get out and VOTE. what Elgin said is right. I supported Kerry in 2004, but couldn't vote. so i really can't complain about the last four years, I have to bite my tongue and take it like a man, now im able to stand up and support who i want to with a check mark on November 4th and im doing everything i can to elect my candidate president.

I even made a thread during the primary season asking, "which candidate would be best for FIRST", there is a little thing called "search" where you can look it up

Don't just get to know the candidates. if the belief for your candidate is as strong as the belief is that i have for my candidate. then please GET INVOLVED. donate, volunteer, or do something to help them out. (not overstating your opinions on CD or flaming others in other threads).

Both candidates have tried to run respectable campaigns against one another, now it's our jobs, who support these candidates to do the same, RESPECT OTHER PEOPLE'S VIEW'S.

that's all i have to say

(oh, and happy birthday to me!)

P.S.: if anyone has any questions about politics, please PM me or see my facebook profile, im going to eventually switch my major from electrical to Political Science with all this mess that's going on.)

EDIT: Bill, i don't think your statements are partisan at all,

[IKE]

Cool Link from the Washington Post
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/c...enate/members/

This is a link to the senate members, but you can also check out house of rep. too.

This link has their voting record and compares them to their party and the opposition part stance. It also has tools like best attendance, worst attendance, % with party, % against party....

Be aware that for the guys running for the last year or so, they have missed a lot of votes due to campaigning.

I would recommend reading through some of the bills that they vote on. It may help explain some of the (Changes in position). The votes are often lots of things lumped together sometimes related, sometimes not. Often they have to choose to vote for a couple things they want (like more funding for FIRST) vs. things they don't want in the same bill (Underwater bridges from LA to Hawaii). I hope hawaii has a good since of humor .

Consider it the Congress Scouting System. Who did what they said they would and who didn't.

Since 3 of the 4 persons on the 2 main tickets are senators, you can actually get some data on what they really voted for (or against).