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Re: FRC 2009 Game Manual?

Of course, it could be possible that the 2009 encryption key has already been released.

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Oh god... here we go again.

Can't we have a year off from this madness? We never come anywhere near to what the game is...can't we just forget it and wait until kickoff?
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Re: FRC 2009 Game Manual?

OK just to clarify, i'm a rookie and i was just wondering why they release it early. I have no intentions to crack it or anything like that. I don't even know how that's possible if i wanted to.
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I have discovered a truly marvellous method to crack this, which this margin is too narrow to contain. With apologies to Pierre.



If I actually was able to crack the code (not likely), I'd probably do it -- but I'd be too polite to actually look. And if I opened up the KOP I wouldn't know what was in there. Motors are motors, that's about it. Except maybe the game piece. Well, if it was obviously a game piece. Some years they don't supply a game piece. (And how about Stack Attack? Who would have thought the box was the game piece??) The only thing in there I know is in there -- that's the software CDs. Then again, they may be preshipped with the controllers.

Here is the 2006 "PDF Manual Code": S1x240JrTBmsqf95DL06FdsTM33H

2008's was Drive!Straight?turn!LEFT!? Which was obviously easy if you mixed up the letters in the third hint Vet hurdling FIRST tetra.

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Re: FRC 2009 Game Manual?

Only problem is you didn't have the exclamation marks (!) and questions marks (?) in between. Even if you did find the words, you'd still be stuck for a month guessing the order of the words and what is missing.

And I think that what Dave's saying is that a hint's coming up next week or at the start of November.

Anyone checked his MySpace/Facebook.

Oh, and try to search through bill's blog.

Oh, great, now I'm stuck in it too.....THANK YOU DAVE....
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Re: FRC 2009 Game Manual?

Maybe before I would have said trying to crack the code is against the rules, but Dave is asking for it now. Of course, the answer to his questions is almost certainly "no", but given the success of last year's hint I suspect the GDC will try something like that again...
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I haven't tried this to make sure, but I think this fits in your margin.

http://pdfcrack.sourceforge.net/

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I haven't tried this to make sure, but I think this fits in your margin.

http://pdfcrack.sourceforge.net/

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Nope, I don't think so. It tries to crack the password using word lists and bruteforcing. Brute forcing a key that long would take about 10^20 years using a network of ~35,000-40,000 2GHz Athlon XP machines. Wordlists would likely not lower the time required enough even if words are used like last year, the key is too long and there are still a number of other characters in the key.

You're welcome to try this tool when the encrypted sections come out (if they come out), but I don't think you'll get very far.
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It tries to crack the password using word lists and bruteforcing. Brute forcing a key that long would take about 10^20 years using a network of ~35,000-40,000 2GHz Athlon XP machines. Wordlists would likely not lower the time required enough even if words are used like last year, the key is too long and there are still a number of other characters in the key.
Good statistic! You could shrink that number significantly if you equipped those computers with Nvidia graphics cards and off boarded the computation to them. But still, there is no way we are going to get past the encryption. 10^18 or 10^17 years are still a lot and definitely not worth it.

I don't remember how the PDF's are encrypted (Probably the highest level), but the lowest level of encryption can be broken in a day or two.
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Good statistic! You could shrink that number significantly if you equipped those computers with Nvidia graphics cards and off boarded the computation to them. But still, there is no way we are going to get past the encryption. 10^18 or 10^17 years are still a lot and definitely not worth it.

I don't remember how the PDF's are encrypted (Probably the highest level), but the lowest level of encryption can be broken in a day or two.
That is a very rough calculation based on Distributed.net's brute force crack of RC-64

I am fairly certain that they used AES encryption last year which is a minimum 128bit key. From what I can see all of the "PDFCrack" tools claim to be able to brute force 40 bit keys (not AES) in 2-4 days.
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