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[EricH]

Originally Posted by Zflash

"The shipment will be leaving from Merrimack, NH (03054). It weighs approximately 60 lbs and is packaged in a box approximately 24" L x 16" W x 12" D."

Does anyone know what will be included in the shipment, the 60 lbs seems awfully heavy. I could come up with my own conclusions that would justify this, however I would much rather know the true facts if someone else could verify it instead of speculating.

Thanks

It's about the size of a KOP box. The Beta Test teams got their equipment in one of those, IIRC. I don't remember what all goes in there, though there is a list on Bill's blog.

[Zflash]

1 FIRST specific cRIO
2 analog modules
2 analog bumpers
2 digital I/O modules
2 pneumatic bumpers
1 digital output sourcing module
1 power distribution board
1 driver station
1 wireless adapter set
1 camera
2 joysticks
assorted cables and connectors
a DVD of software that will be shipped by NI

Here is the list, I knew about this I just didn't think it would wiegh 60 lbs. Unless they ship the batteries with it so that rookie teams could power the system.

[Vikesrock]

Originally Posted by Zflash

1 FIRST specific cRIO
2 analog modules
2 analog bumpers
2 digital I/O modules
2 pneumatic bumpers
1 digital output sourcing module
1 power distribution board
1 driver station
1 wireless adapter set
1 camera
2 joysticks
assorted cables and connectors
a DVD of software that will be shipped by NI

Here is the list, I knew about this I just didn't think it would wiegh 60 lbs. Unless they ship the batteries with it so that rookie teams could power the system.

Going by the weights I can find for most of the hardware and some (very) generous allotments for the few things I can't find weights for, this hardware should weigh about 15lbs tops.

Even throwing 2 batteries in with a generous estimate of 15 lbs each should end up with 45 lbs.

What the heck is in this box? Could the box + packing materials possibly add to 15 lbs?

The weights for the cRIO, modules, and Distribution panel came from a seminar given by 1816, one of the beta test teams. Weights for the camera and wireless hardware came from data sheets. I gave the driver station .75 lbs, USB joysticks .4 lbs apiece and was still under 10 lbs before "assorted cables and connectors" and a DVD.

[Zflash]

1 FIRST specific cRIO 4
2 analog modules 2
2 analog bumpers 2
2 digital I/O modules 2
2 pneumatic bumpers 2
1 digital output sourcing module 1
1 power distribution board 2
1 driver station 1
1 wireless adapter set 1
1 camera 2
2 joysticks 2
assorted cables and connectors 1
a DVD of software that will be shipped by NI 0.5
batteries 30
Crate 4
Total 56.5

Packaging added to each device are why numbers are high, but this is what I got I guess it is fairly close.

[artdutra04]

They must have ran out of static proof bags, so everything was shipped in lead foil...

[TestEngr571]

I don't see "digital sidecars" on anyone's list? With 2 digital modules you'd think we should get 2 digital sidecars to boot.

[Tom Line]

That would be the digital input / output.

Also, the "bumpers" are now "breakouts" if I remember correctly.

[Zflash]

Originally Posted by artdutra04

They must have ran out of static proof bags, so everything was shipped in lead foil...

1 FIRST specific cRIO (Chassis Only) 2
2 analog modules (including bumpers) 0.8
2 analog bumpers 0
2 digital I/O modules 0.6
2 pneumatic bumpers 0.8
1 digital output sourcing module 0.25
1 power distribution board 1.6
1 driver station 0.3
1 wireless adapter set 0.5
1 camera 0.39
2 joysticks 2
assorted cables and connectors 0.5
a DVD of software that will be shipped by NI 0.3
batteries (2) 27.64
Total 37.68

This was the conclusion I came to when I added it up I then added extra since these were approxiamate and to just try and justify a 60 lb shipping wieght. Obviously something substantial is missing from the list. All I am asking is does anyone actually know. It is pretty clear the answer is only the people sending it.

[Mark McLeod]

Bill's posted what Kate plans to include in the early control system shipment.
http://www.usfirst.org/uploadedFiles/DRAFT%20CONTROLS%20KIT%20-%202009%20KoP%20Checklist%20%28110408%29.pdf
The screwdriver is a nice touch.

per the Bill's Blog:
http://frcdirector.blogspot.com/sear...max-results=15

[Madison]

Originally Posted by Mark McLeod

Bill's posted what's to be included in the early control system shipment.
http://www.usfirst.org/uploadedFiles...8110408%29.pdf
The screwdriver is a nice touch.

per the Bill's Blog:
http://frcdirector.blogspot.com/sear...max-results=15

1 speed controller?

[Greg Needel]

Originally Posted by Madison

1 speed controller?

1 victor, 4 jaguars

[Mark McLeod]

But 4 Jaguars to make up for the single victor.

P.S. Odd that the control kit includes 5' of red 14 awg wire but not black, while offering samples of both red & black 10awg.

[Madison]

Originally Posted by Mark McLeod

But 4 Jaguars to makeup for the single victor.

Aha. Didn't see those.

I think we have enough Victors lying around to deal without the Jaguars for this season. Until their benefits are more useful to us, there's no use in taking such a big penalty for size and weight.

[Mark McLeod]

Originally Posted by Madison

I think we have enough Victors lying around to deal without the Jaguars for this season. Until their benefits are more useful to us, there's no use in taking such a big penalty for size and weight.

I think that's a good idea also just to build up a stockpile of extra Jaguars for next year and use up the Victors that probably won't be permitted for 2010.

[TestEngr571]

Not using the new Jaguars? On the contrary ... the update rate and linearity make the Jaguar far superior to the Victor, despite the size/weight penalty. This will make low speed control much smoother ... less twitchy robots!