[FF]: 2009 Season Long FF

[Clinton Bolinger]

At what time do the drafts take place?

-Oris-

[ATannahill]

Can i be bumped up to tim's place?

[Koko Ed]

Originally Posted by Oris

At what time do the drafts take place?

-Oris-

7pm EST on week nights.
5 or 6pm on weekends EST depending on my mood.

[Koko Ed]

1. Koko Ed
2. Tottanka
3. jtdowney
4. Jherbie53
5. SamSofa330
6. rocketperson44
7. EricH
8. NickE
9. hill
10. Dolan
11. acdcfan259
12. JesseK
13. Michelle Celio
14. Elgin Clock
15. JackN
16. Sunbun
17. Alex Cormier
18. Stephi Rae
19.Liz Smith
20. Pat McCarthy
21. rtfgnow
22. XaulZan11
23.xzvrw2
24.Ken Patton
25. Barry Bonzack
26. Laaba 80
27. firstbots195
28. Tetraman
29. Indysam
30. Tim Delles
31. Arefin Bari
32. 0705920
33. Wannabe
34. qwertyuiop[]\
35. Kristian Calhoun
36. Vikesrock
37. 340x4xLife
38. TeAm270RoCkS
39. lukevanoort

[Clinton Bolinger]

1. Koko Ed
2. Tottanka
3. jtdowney
4. Jherbie53
5. SamSofa330
6. rocketperson44
7. EricH
8. NickE
9. hill
10. Dolan
11. acdcfan259
12. JesseK
13. Michelle Celio
14. Elgin Clock
15. JackN
16. Sunbun
17. Alex Cormier
18. Stephi Rae
19.Liz Smith
20. Pat McCarthy
21. rtfgnow
22. XaulZan11
23.xzvrw2
24.Ken Patton
25. Barry Bonzack
26. Laaba 80
27. firstbots195
28. Tetraman
29. Indysam
30. Tim Delles
31. Arefin Bari
32. 0705920
33. Wannabe
34. qwertyuiop[]\
35. Kristian Calhoun
36. Vikesrock
37. 340x4xLife
38. TeAm270RoCkS
39. lukevanoort
40. Oris

Lets do this.

-Oris-

[Koko Ed]

FYI
For those sour grapes who like to say Barry won because he was in the same division with absentee owners I just want to let you know he's already sending me list for his picks. That's the real reason Barry won because he actually bothered to study on what teams would do well for him and submit a list for EACH AND EVERY DRAFT so he'd make sure he got the teams he wanted.
If you want to beat the best it's sometimes best to BE like the best. Send in those lists kiddies. Barry is already one step ahead of you!

[JesseK]

I just want to double check -- ideally we will have 47 lists:

Each list has ALL teams from the respective regional
Each list is ordered in the order of team preference

Is that it? I'm still a bit confused on the symantecs of scoring, and I'm really confused on how teams are assigned to players -- e.g. if I get 191 on my fantasy team for a particular regional, does that lock 191 from being used by other players?

Also, what's the desired format of the lists?

[EricH]

One thing I noticed last season is that the players who actually a) picked or b) sent in lists did better across the board than those who simply went by the randomizer. The top three over the regionals were especially active participants; probably the top 50% had lists. The bottom 50% or so didn't have lists at all and, for the most part, didn't show up.

[EricH]

Originally Posted by JesseK

I just want to double check -- ideally we will have 47 lists:

Each list has ALL teams from the respective regional
Each list is ordered in the order of team preference

Is that it? I'm still a bit confused on the symantecs of scoring, and I'm really confused on how teams are assigned to players -- e.g. if I get 191 on my fantasy team for a particular regional, does that lock 191 from being used by other players?

Also, what's the desired format of the lists?

Scoring first: Players will be in tiers based on how many teams there are. If someone in Tier 1 picks team 1114, nobody else in Tier 1 can have them, but someone in Tier 2 can. Trades are allowed, if both players and the commissioner agree.

Lists: As many teams as you want. I usually go to the point that "beyond this, I don't care", but others go all the way. Organize the teams in order of preference; the first team on the list when it's your turn is your pick. Format is up to you, but we do need to be able to read it easily. I use the following:

Originally Posted by EricH's typical format

Regional Name: xyz, abc, def, ghi, ... last team number

[ATannahill]

Would there ever be a way for one of your picks to hurt you? i.e. make your score lower than if you had picked no team.

[EricH]

Originally Posted by rtfgnow

Would there ever be a way for one of your picks to hurt you? i.e. make your score lower than if you had picked no team.

It bit several people last year...

The traditional scoring system goes something like this:

win +2
tie 1
loss -2

[Award scores follow; none are negative]

But, if you don't pick a team, you get one anyway thanks to the randomizer.

[Elgin Clock]

Originally Posted by EricH

One thing I noticed last season is that the players who actually a) picked or b) sent in lists did better across the board than those who simply went by the randomizer.

Randomizer worked fine for me the first season we did The Championship Event FF.
Thank you randomly assigned team 67 in 2005!

[Barry Bonzack]

Ed, thanks for the huge props. Sometimes it's better to be lucky than good, and there is an element of luck to the game, ei: which tier one is in for a certain regional and what the draft order is. Overall, the issue of luck is washed out when picking 44 regionals and everyone has the same chances. The following is a tip from Despair.com
It is to one's advantage to send in a pick list and not rely on the randomizer.


As for the question on how long your list should be:
There are usually about 10 people per tier, depending on the size of the regional. Every person gets 3 robots, so multiply the number of people in a tier by 3 and that's how long your list needs to be. Of course, in order to rank teams the more scouting that is done the better.


Ed, correct me if I am wrong, but we should not be concerned about the order of the list as it stands now, because tiers will be randomized and as will draft orders, right?

[Barry Bonzack]

Originally Posted by Koko Ed

Here is the schedule for the 2009 Season Long FF Drafts.
Dec 1BAE Granite State Regional
Dec 2Buckeye Regional , Traverse City FIRST Robotics District Competition
Dec 3Greater Kansas City Regional
Dec 4Midwest Regional
Dec 5New Jersey Regional
Dec 6Washington DC Regional
Dec 7Boston Regional
Dec 8Finger Lakes Regional , Oregon Regional
Dec 9San Diego Regional , Kettering University FIRST Robotics District Competition
Dec 10New York City Regional
Dec 11Dallas Regional , Florida Regional
Dec 12Los Angeles Regional
Dec 13Peachtree Regional , Pittsburgh Regional
Dec 14Silicon Valley Regional , Wisconsin Regional
Dec 15Israel Regional , Arizona Regional
Dec 16Bayou Regional , Cass Tech FIRST Robotics District Competition
Dec 17Boilermaker Regional
Dec 18Chesapeake Regional , Lansing FIRST Robotics District Competition
Dec 19NASA VCU Regional , Detroit FIRST Robotics District Competition
Dec 20Philadelphia Regional
Dec 21St. Louis Regional
Dec 22Waterloo Regional
Dec 23Colorado Regional , Connecticut Regional
Dec 24Greater Toronto Regional, Hawaii Regional
Dec 26Las Vegas Regional , West Michigan FIRST Robotics District Competition
Dec 27Lone Star Regional ,Troy FIRST Robotics District Competition
Dec 28Microsoft Seattle Regional , Palmetto Regional
Dec 29Sacramento Regional
Dec 30SBPLI Long Island Regional
Dec 31Minnesota 10000 Lakes Regional
Jan 2Minnesota North Star Regional


Michigan FIRST Robotics Competition State Championship draft will occur the weekend before the event.

The Oklahoma City regional is a week one regional and not currently on the list.

Also, how do we find the team lists for all of the district competitions? They aren't on the 2009 Event List

[Koko Ed]

Originally Posted by Barry Bonzack

The Oklahoma City regional is a week one regional and not currently on the list.

Also, how do we find the team lists for all of the district competitions? They aren't on the 2009 Event List

http://www.usfirst.org/community/frc...t.aspx?id=9508