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Re: Game Hint #1

Just some info i dug up.

Opah, a colorful marine fish found in open waters. Although not abundant, opahs are found in almost all seas. Opahs range in length from about 3 to 6 feet (.9 to 1.8 m) and weigh from 50 to 400 pounds (23 to 180 kg) or more. The body is oval and compressed from side to side. Opahs are grayish above shading to rose underneath, and are marked with white spots. The jaws, fins, and tail are red and the eyes are ringed with gold. The flesh, which is considered excellent food, is also red.

The opah is sometimes also called moonfish.

The opah is Lampris regius, the only member of the family Lamprididae, or Lampridae.

http://animals.howstuffworks.com/fish/opah-info.htm
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Re: Game Hint #1

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There are many methods of hiding information in photographs. I was able to scan the image at the highest sensitivity for all the major types of encryption (jsteg, jphide, outguess, and invisible) The system of hiding information within photos was able to detect a hidden message. Now the methodology I used just exposes the type of hidden message and not the message itself. The message unfortunatly for us appears to be hidden in the JPHIDE which utilizes a password based encryption so without the password it will be impossible to figure out the message. Although we do know that there is something there.


****disclaimer: the way the analysis tools that I have scan the data it looks for missing voids in repeating color sections of the photo (complex photos with lots of colors are best for hiding). When I tested with normal sensitivity I didn't see any result, but on cranking up the sensitivity I found proof of an encryption. With all things like this it is possible to get a false positive, but since this is all for fun anyway we can just assume it is there.



so what do we think the password is? I might try to make a dictionary and brute force it later after I am done with the bench top test of the new control system.

In my opinions this was just a fish picture scanned from a book with very thin paper so the words are backwards because they are on next page. Onion skin paper and <40gsm paper like bible paper is common for big dictionary like books.
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Re: Game Hint #1

Not to be mean or rude, but please, people, we all know what kind of fish it is, for the sake of space, and the people that actually do read the entire thread before posting, let your post be at least somewhat relevant or perhaps entertaining before you post. The source of the picture and the words behind it has also been found, feel free to deliberate your opinion on the relevance of the wording and the source, but we don't all need to say "The words are backwards, I think it's from a book."
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Re: Game Hint #1

the other name found for this moon fish is

Lampris regius

an anagram of this name yields;

Realism Grip Us

since most of us reading this thread have lost our grip on reality, this possibly does not apply to the clue!
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Re: Game Hint #1

Time to go in another direction. The clue is a picture of a moonfish, less specifically a fish.

No one has mentioned that the term "fish" is used by the Navy as slang for a torpedo.

"Fish" is also slang used by civilian treasure hunters and geoscientists to refer to a towed sensor such as a magnatometer or side scan sonar. Both of which are often used to locate sunken ships which might have been sunk by torpedos.

Originally, torpedos were not the propelled ordinance they are today, but were simply sea mines.

Sea mines often have magnet detonators.

Mine clearing operations are an excellent task for robots.

Mines are also a source of treasure.

A torpedo is also a type of short level often used to level or plumb conduit.

Maybe these are all just Red Herrings, but word association can be beneficial.
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Re: Game Hint #1

Hmm...this has to be one of the weirdest and probably one of the farthest away from the intention of the hint, but I'll thr

Everyone knows about Dave's "hints." Someone mentioned a while ago that the Opah is sometimes known as the "King of Herrings." Red Herrings...Dave's hints...Dave's herrings...could this be a ploy to get us to actually dissect his signature? Maybe he WAS actually dropping hints, we just didn't realize it. I haven't been watching Dave's signature too much, but based on what I saw posted earlier about Six, Five, and Four...Six and five are mentioned in the quote that he has up there (woot, superfluous adjectives), and four..."To the four: awaiting a few more.".
...I'm just going to stop now, that's not it. You know you've gone crazy over a game hint when you analyze every word in Dave's signature. Although it may point to him somehow, it's not in that way.

Though...moonfish...Phoenix/Mars...NASA...Outer space, anyone?

I'm fairly sure that it has to do with the fish itself. It's the fish and not some other object that could embody the same hint but would be more obvious. Like last year, with the tortoise and the hare referring to a race...if they wanted to make a race game obvious, they could have easily given us the coords for something NASCAR-related.
So the Opah might have some quality that other things obviously have...the GDC just didn't want to make it too apparent.

I can't wait for the next hint; we might be able to start piecing things together.
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Re: Game Hint #1

there is obviously text in the background. even more obviously if you invert the colors, the question is how to read it, i think there are multiple layers of overlapping text. i don't think this is from the paper the book is scanned from, i don't think the pic was scanned at all, there is the exact same image online at other sites without the text in the background, FIRST wouldn't allow text in the background unless the book its from is a clue, so the text must be some sort of clue, along with whatever the watermark looking thing behind the fish, which may or may not be a shark, it has the right shape from what i can see. so, how do we read the invisible text, and is the hypothetical shark important? ideas?
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Re: Game Hint #1

I didn't read this whole thread but has anyone wondered why the fish is on paper or whatever the background is (aka out of water)? I don't think it matters what kind of paper the fish is on, or what fish it becomes if you remove one of its fins. Some of you are grasping for straws. really.
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Re: Game Hint #1

I sort of agree with Sam, but how to go about reading it is beyond me. I've tried a number of image sharpening methods in PS to no avail...

Also, I know of a method to store files within images. I'm trying to reverse it right now.

EDIT: Nope, nothing's being stored inside of the image.

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Re: Game Hint #1

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The GDC obviously did a Google images search for "moonfish" and took the first image that showed up. This must have been on purpose. The question is why?

A quick Google search for "moon fish" turns up this: http://www.moonfishocean.com/ right away. Apparently "moon, fish, ocean" is the new zen version of "rock, paper, scissors".

From the website:

"Zen Masters use the game as a test of a disciple’s reflexes and non-attachment to outcomes. The Master holds a pebble in his palm. The pebble remains hidden when the Master plays “Moon” or “Fish.” It is revealed only when the Master plays “Ocean.” If the disciple can snatch the pebble quickly enough, he automatically wins the round."

Sounds like we will be somehow playing "rock, paper, scissors" with robots and trying to steal something from the opposing alliance. Still 3v3. One "master" robot holds/guards a special game piece while the other 2 "disciple robots" try to steal the game piece from the opposing alliance for major bonus points. Maybe like 2006 with offensive and defensive periods of 2v3 or something.

This is the best idea i have read on here, i think everyone else is WAYYY over-analyzing it.
it's rock, paper, scissors, style game play. balanced, fun, and allows for variety in robot designs, something many FIRST games try to achieve, mostly the balanced but separate play styles. and i really like the "snatching" mechanic, although it would give crab drive huge advantage if trying to avoid the "snatching" of a game piece away from it's control.


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Re: Game Hint #1

I see the text too. HOWEVER, if you look behind the fish when you tilt the monitor, you see another outline of a fish. I suspect that this was just scanned in from a book and the text that we are seeing is just from the page behind it. Another reason for this is that the text is unintelligible - it's backwards or rotated somehow. So... I don't actually think the hint is in the text.

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Not to be mean or rude, but please, people, we all know what kind of fish it is, for the sake of space, and the people that actually do read the entire thread before posting, let your post be at least somewhat relevant or perhaps entertaining before you post. The source of the picture and the words behind it has also been found, feel free to deliberate your opinion on the relevance of the wording and the source, but we don't all need to say "The words are backwards, I think it's from a book."
I second this emotion.
We all know it's from a book, there's a shark in the background, the words are backwards, it's a moonfish. I keep coming back to the thread only to re-read the same thing concluded earlier in the thread, except reworded.
There is a "Search Thread" function near the top of the page...

Wanderor, that's the fun of the game hints. Over-analyzing it until our little brains can't take it anymore. Then the GDC releases #2....
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Time to go in another direction. The clue is a picture of a moonfish, less specifically a fish.

No one has mentioned that the term "fish" is used by the Navy as slang for a torpedo.

"Fish" is also slang used by civilian treasure hunters and geoscientists to refer to a towed sensor such as a magnatometer or side scan sonar. Both of which are often used to locate sunken ships which might have been sunk by torpedos.

Originally, torpedos were not the propelled ordinance they are today, but were simply sea mines.

Sea mines often have magnet detonators.

Mine clearing operations are an excellent task for robots.

Mines are also a source of treasure.

A torpedo is also a type of short level often used to level or plumb conduit.

Maybe these are all just Red Herrings, but word association can be beneficial.
Im going to go out on a wild guess here but since there is a camera this year, we could be operating only off the camera. Expecially with the new and more advanced control system this could be used.
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How about this Google find the FISH! philosophy further explained here.

Fish is also slang in the drilling industry.

Or the SMS dictionary FISH "First in still here"

gotta love Red Herring!
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Re: Game Hint #1

So here's my thought...
The watermark may have no significance BUT you must flip the image horizontally 180*. Now the Opah is mainly found in the open ocean waters of the Mediterranean Sea. If we go East or west 180 degrees from this landmark we land in the Bermuda Triangle.
Jane Young pointed out earlier of a lines making up a triangle on the fish.
This could possibly be the game piece shape or what not...
But if we consider the Bermuda Triangle it leads us down another path. The triangle is known for disappearing ships. The fish represents these ships because it has fins shaped like sails. The name of the fish is the moonfish correlating with night and ocean.
NASA has also been doing some lunar exploration recently which could correspond with the new camera system.
Maybe there's a giant dome in the center of the field which robots can go into to find certain objects. the objects can't be seen because the dome is blackened out. The only way to recognize the object are by small blinking lights. Blinking because of the disappearing ships. Is anybody following me here....?
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