Game Hint #1

[Nin_estarSaerah]

The main reason that we are focusing so much on "moonfish" is because that image is the first image that you get when you google "moonfish."Other names for an opah, when put into an image search can come up with very different looking fish than the one we are dealing with. We aren't actually sure that "moonfish" or "opah" are the names we should focus on, but they seem like the strongest leads to follow.

[MiniNerd24]

Originally Posted by jerry w

((((you are not alone))))


Finally a clue to the reason for the fish. Here is the connection. In the movie "finding Nemo" there are fish that group together to form various shapes. one of these shapes is similar to the 2009 game piece.

Logically, the GDC likes to rattle the cages of those who think "water game....." So they look for the name of the fish that created the shapes. Moon fish! However, they supply a picture as a hint and not the name of the fish.

Now, if someone here has a DVD of finding nemo, could you please look at and list all the shapes that this fish school formed in the movie. one of the items in the list will be the game piece for the 2009 game.

Please remember, that when the shape is found, that it is mine, MINE, mine, mine, MINE.

Although i don't totally believe this is it i do think you could have an idea for more thoughts here. Also they do other things in the shape shifting fish game ont the DVD a hook is one of the shapes and so is a sun (a connection to sunfish perhaps?) so there are links here.

[ATannahill]

Originally Posted by Mechkrunch

The list of shapes the moonfish make are:
Swordfish
Lobster
Octopus
Ship
Clownfish
Sydney Opera House
East Austraian Current(Waves)
Arrow
Trench

Im not sure how any of those relate to a FRC game piece, but you never know with the GDC.

What says we cant go to the archery field?

p.s. I also have read the whole thread

[njamietech]

for those of you wanting the nemo clip

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfsBRF4gKOU

have fun!

[Boydean]

Ohhh Chiefdelphi how I love you and your 700 posts about a picture of a fish.

[RoboGeek99]

Originally Posted by lenny8

im probly the only person left that has read this entire tread and still reads it.

no dont worry i do the same thing...i just cant get myself to stop...the days keep getting longer waiting for kick-off

[njamietech]

hey I sit here pressing f5 every few seconds ( ).

when im not pressing f5 im playing chuzzle on popcap.com.

lol

[RoboGeek99]

Originally Posted by njamietech

hey I sit here pressing f5 every few seconds ( ).

when im not pressing f5 im playing chuzzle on popcap.com.

lol

i dont use the function keys...i use the refresh button every min...CD is my crack lol

[nevereverregret]

wow... Okay so I have been obsessing over this so I figured I'd post what I found out, I know most of it is probally in other posts but I figured I would make it easy to get to in one big post. If anyone sees anything I didn’t please let me know!!! I don’t know everything or even close to it!!! THANKS
Well as we all know it’s called an OPAH fish , its scientific name is lampris guttatus, and there are only two living species in the genus lampris (which in Greek means brilliant or clear). FIRST is calling it by its nickname moonfish, we know this because the picture as of the time it was posted was only found on Google images as MOONFISH and not an opah fish. They also have no edited the picture in any way. The picture is found on may other websites in the exact form. The words in the background are the words from another page of other fish, and the picture is a shark. The small water stain at the top of the page was also not put thier by FIRST.
There are also two other fish with the nickname Moonfish, the American Spade Fish and the Diamond Fish, spades and diamonds. Cards anyone? Maybe we need to fool other teams like a poker face or something.
A strange fact about the fish I found was that it is found in the southern oceans and won’t cross the 34th parallel North. So I am thinking maybe we cannot cross a certain line and maybe we have to place something over the line ect. The fish is also a very rare fish and if caught is very prize worthy, maybe we have to capture an item that will gain us a lot of points or have to keep an item from other teams (like keep away).
The median & fins of the fish are bright vermillion, which is an orangish red pigment. Vermillion(HgS) is naturally produced by reacting mercury with sulfur. Vermillion- RBG (227, 66, 52) HSV (5%, 77%, 89%) Hex Triplet #E34234. It is harmful when in contact with skin, and is toxic if swallowed or inhaled, this might mean that we have to keep away from something and we lose points if we touch it ect. It's molar mass is 232.66 g mol -1, its density is 8.10g cm-3, its melting point is 583.5C and its boiling point is unknown. If any of those numbers mean anything to anyone please let me know.
The fish is also deeply keeled, and compressed. The body is slightly blue grading to rose on the belly, with white spots on the flanks. I cannot make a connection between the coloring and a game other then maybe there will be different colored game pieces.
Another important fact about it is that it travels alone. so maybe we will be play every robot for itself? It also has 4 different colored skin so maybe its 4 on 4. Or again maybe it’s every man for himself and 1V1V1V1, with four teams on the field at a time. This would be very hard though considering how the fields were set up last year. They would have to make a lot of changes to the design...
The flesh of the fish is very stringy and hard to fillet. Maybe the game piece will be hard to hold or it'll be hard to get off the robot, like a magnet?... any ideas with that fact please let me know! Another thing about the game piece is that the fish is very large flat and kinda ugly.. lol shape of the game piece? Like a football shape?
Another thing is the symbolic meaning of the fish or water maybe not the fish itself. Water has a symbolic meaning of depth of knowledge, it contains all the mysteries of the deep. We never know what’s at the bottom of the ocean. Maybe there will be a black out session where we rely totally on sensors?, and cannot see?... Fish on the other hand has a lot of meanings. It means fertility eternity creativity femininity good luck happiness knowledge and transformation. Transformation is the only one I could make a connection with. Maybe there are moving objects on the field we need to avoid. That in my option would be awesome.. But with the new control system I am not sure if they would do that. They could also make this the autonomous mode where the robot has to move around the track and detect the moving parts and go around them?..
Thats all that I can really think of right now... If anything else comes up please let me know!!!

[logicalyrandom]

Originally Posted by billbo911

Many of us have posted ideas and thoughts here based on the name "Moonfish". I see nothing wrong with that, but I need to point out, according to Wikipedia:

So, maybe "Moon" is not the only thing we should consider.


I have made this point elsewhere, but I think it has bearing on this conversation. If you will recall the 2008 game (I know, it is still 2008), the GDC did a fantastic job developing a game where every level of team could contribute. Teams that could barely do more than assemble the KOP chassis could at least drive and earn points. Teams that were more skilled/experienced could score by driving, hurdling, placing the Track Ball or knocking it down. Some teams were even able to rock the house with autonomous routines that were amazing!

So, how does that apply here?
I see no reason that the GDC would move away from that formula for game design and would make it more difficult for the least capable teams to at least contribute. I just don't see having a moon like playing surface supporting that goal. Although, without knowing the game nor the content of the KOP, what I just said is really only a SWAG.

I agree with you on the count of FIRST keeping the game competitive for all levels of teams, but I still think it's possible for them to allow for some sort of uneven surface. One way would be to have the game pieces be smaller blocks, traffic cones, that type of thing, and distribute them randomly over the playing field at the start of each match. Or, using the same idea, maybe one alliances pieces will be on the other side of the field, requiring robots to cross their opponets pieces at the start of the match.

Another way of having an uneven surface would be a field with bunch of ramps. Ramps allow for changes in elevation/rougher driving, add a level of strategy to the match, and are easy enough for first year teams to navigate. My final idea would be to have, say a bunch of traffic cones on the field, or similar object that wouldn't damage a robot that chose to ignore them, but would slow it down.

/2cents.

[njamietech]

Originally Posted by nevereverregret

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OMGOSH!!!!!

we have a genius in our midst. lol

alot of what you say makes sense and sounds fun.

maybe she has the right idea

[RoboGeek99]

Does anyone besides me think that this thread has lost basically any chance for new and innovative ideas?...i think that this hint has been squeezed dry, then again i could be wrong and we probably overlooked something "obvious"

[logicalyrandom]

yes, we've gone over every possible idea multiple times. No, we're not going to stop. Welcome to FIRST.

[njamietech]

Originally Posted by RoboGeek99

Does anyone besides me think that this thread has lost basically any chance for new and innovative ideas?...i think that this hint has been squeezed dry, then again i could be wrong and we probably overlooked something "obvious"

Ditto

im starting to feel that way too.

C'mon FIRST! give us the next hint!

[MiniNerd24]

Okay rule numbre one: You mmust find any and all bizzare ideas and plottings for the first game hint until the second comes out and debunks all of our ideas.
so for the record, we should recap all of this soon shouldn't we?