Go to Post Doesn't matter what you use if you can't drive it. - efoote868 [more]
Home
Go Back   Chief Delphi > Technical > Control System > FRC Control System
CD-Media   CD-Spy  
portal register members calendar search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read FAQ rules

 
Reply
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
  #31   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 10-12-2008, 22:08
Steve Ketron's Avatar
Steve Ketron Steve Ketron is offline
Registered User
FRC #1528 (MTR (Monroe Trojan Robotics), formerly iPirates)
Team Role: Teacher
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Rookie Year: 2006
Location: Monroe, Mi
Posts: 268
Steve Ketron is a name known to allSteve Ketron is a name known to allSteve Ketron is a name known to allSteve Ketron is a name known to allSteve Ketron is a name known to allSteve Ketron is a name known to all
Re: New Ctrl Sys Early Ship - Benchtop Test

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark McLeod View Post
If you get any response I'd consider it a successful bench test.
It just means all the parts from the DS to the motor are working together.

In OTB Teleop we only saw Joystick on USB 1 arcade action (w/button pressed) on pwms 1-4, neutral on pwms 5-10, no other button effects noted.

No response to a usb 2 joystick.

The jumpers in the prescribed positions did not affect results, but we didn't try all the other possible jumper positions.

If you add an Allen Bradley light to the hardware setup it won't come on either (but it works with the non-OTB default software update).

P.S.
Send my regards to Nataloia

I talked with a FIRST Staff Engineer today about this problem, she said that she just found out today that the joystick adjustment knob (the control switch that looks like last year joystick calibrator) also dictates if a joystick is to be used for arcade or tank drive. I have been at a conference and I am unable to test this information. Try to adjust the this and see if it works.
Reply With Quote
  #32   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 10-12-2008, 22:29
rwood359 rwood359 is offline
Registered User
AKA: Randy
FRC #0359 (Hawaiian Kids)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Rookie Year: 2008
Location: Waialua, HI
Posts: 212
rwood359 is a name known to allrwood359 is a name known to allrwood359 is a name known to allrwood359 is a name known to allrwood359 is a name known to allrwood359 is a name known to all
Re: New Ctrl Sys Early Ship - Benchtop Test

Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve Ketron View Post
I talked with a FIRST Staff Engineer today about this problem, she said that she just found out today that the joystick adjustment knob (the control switch that looks like last year joystick calibrator) also dictates if a joystick is to be used for arcade or tank drive. I have been at a conference and I am unable to test this information. Try to adjust the this and see if it works.
This is true after you have updated the firmware in the DS and reimaged the cRIO.
The OTB program uses Drivers Station Digital Input 1 to select between tank and arcade. The documentation says to install the jumper from signal to +5 to select arcade mode and no jumpers for tank mode. This works for some but not all systems. The DS DI inputs are floating so they can be in any state without jumpers. Install a jumper between Ground and Signal on DS DI 1 to select tank mode in OTB mode. We used a PWM cable with black and white tied together.
Reply With Quote
  #33   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 11-12-2008, 17:10
Tank2010's Avatar
Tank2010 Tank2010 is offline
Draftsman. Ammoknights Rule!
AKA: Dave
FRC #1566 (Ammoknights)
Team Role: Engineer
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Rookie Year: 2007
Location: Ammon (Idaho Falls) ID
Posts: 59
Tank2010 is an unknown quantity at this point
Re: New Ctrl Sys Early Ship - Benchtop Test

We are having problems with the bench top tank drive test. When the controller in USB port 1 is moved both motors spin and the jaguars indicate in opposite directions. The controller in USB port 2 does nothing. We have tried flipping the controllers and USB ports. We switched sidecars and modules. To no avail. Can we get some help?
__________________
Team 1566 Rules!!!!!!!!
Reply With Quote
  #34   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 11-12-2008, 17:13
rwood359 rwood359 is offline
Registered User
AKA: Randy
FRC #0359 (Hawaiian Kids)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Rookie Year: 2008
Location: Waialua, HI
Posts: 212
rwood359 is a name known to allrwood359 is a name known to allrwood359 is a name known to allrwood359 is a name known to allrwood359 is a name known to allrwood359 is a name known to all
Re: New Ctrl Sys Early Ship - Benchtop Test

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tank2010 View Post
We are having problems with the bench top tank drive test. When the controller in USB port 1 is moved both motors spin and the jaguars indicate in opposite directions. The controller in USB port 2 does nothing. We have tried flipping the controllers and USB ports. We switched sidecars and modules. To no avail. Can we get some help?
The documentation says to install a jumper from signal to +5 for arcade mode and no jumper for tank mode. The inputs on the DS are floating, so you need to install a jumper between signal and ground on DS DI 1 to select tank mode. We used a PWM cable and tied black to white and installed the three pin cable on the DS.
Reply With Quote
  #35   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 18-12-2008, 12:21
Ziaholic's Avatar
Ziaholic Ziaholic is offline
Elec/SW Mentor
AKA: Marc
FRC #1164 (Project NEO)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Rookie Year: 2002
Location: Las Cruces, NM
Posts: 194
Ziaholic is a jewel in the roughZiaholic is a jewel in the roughZiaholic is a jewel in the roughZiaholic is a jewel in the rough
Re: New Ctrl Sys Early Ship - Benchtop Test

Team 2449 is also on the list of A-OK outta' the box testing.

Our tank and arcade tele-op setups worked just fine, and we didn't need to tie down any floating inputs. Both joysticks performed as advertised. And the Jaguar controllers performed great. (my first time w/ Jag's, looking forward to seeing what they can do)

Our Autonomous mode operated both motors for 2 seconds.

We haven't progressed to the wireless and/or firmware updates yet, but will tackle that (and more) this weekend.

Our only "hiccup" to report at the moment is a 5v status LED on our PD that doesn't want to illuminate. But I've read that we are not alone and the 5v bus is working, it's just the LED that isn't. (we haven't proven that yet, but I'm optimistic)

My only complaint was that I had to steal the 120amp main breaker from our '08 bot to get our test up and running. I think they should've tossed one of those into our "early" kit of parts.

NOTE: When instructed to add the 2nd jumper for Auton mode(on Digi-In2), we did NOT remove the 1st jumper (on Digi-In1). I'm not sure if it's relevent, but some of the failed auton folks might try that.
__________________
----
There are 10 types of people. Those who understand binary, and those that do not.
Team #1164 - Project NEO Robotics

Last edited by Ziaholic : 18-12-2008 at 12:24. Reason: added jumper note
Reply With Quote
  #36   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 18-12-2008, 14:02
blhenze blhenze is offline
Bernie H
FRC #2333 (Sapulpa Chieftain Robotics)
Team Role: Teacher
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Rookie Year: 2008
Location: Sapulpa, OK
Posts: 19
blhenze is an unknown quantity at this point
Unhappy Re: New Ctrl Sys Early Ship - Benchtop Test

When doing the bench top the 12 V LED and the 24 V LED lit, the 5 V LED did not. Does something requiring 5 V need to be attached to make it light or are we doing something incorrectly?
Reply With Quote
  #37   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 18-12-2008, 14:23
Mark McLeod's Avatar
Mark McLeod Mark McLeod is offline
Just Itinerant
AKA: Hey dad...Father...MARK
FRC #0358 (Robotic Eagles)
Team Role: Engineer
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Rookie Year: 2002
Location: Hauppauge, Long Island, NY
Posts: 8,731
Mark McLeod has a reputation beyond reputeMark McLeod has a reputation beyond reputeMark McLeod has a reputation beyond reputeMark McLeod has a reputation beyond reputeMark McLeod has a reputation beyond reputeMark McLeod has a reputation beyond reputeMark McLeod has a reputation beyond reputeMark McLeod has a reputation beyond reputeMark McLeod has a reputation beyond reputeMark McLeod has a reputation beyond reputeMark McLeod has a reputation beyond repute
Re: New Ctrl Sys Early Ship - Benchtop Test

Quote:
Originally Posted by blhenze View Post
When doing the bench top the 12 V LED and the 24 V LED lit, the 5 V LED did not. Does something requiring 5 V need to be attached to make it light or are we doing something incorrectly?
You're probably okay.
Many teams have reported that just the 5v LED isn't working, but the WAGO outlet actually does have 5v power.
Your camera gets wired into that.
__________________
"Rationality is our distinguishing characteristic - it's what sets us apart from the beasts." - Aristotle
Reply With Quote
  #38   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 19-12-2008, 00:40
billbo911's Avatar
billbo911 billbo911 is offline
I prefer you give a perfect effort.
AKA: That's "Mr. Bill"
FRC #2073 (EagleForce)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Rookie Year: 2005
Location: Elk Grove, Ca.
Posts: 2,349
billbo911 has a reputation beyond reputebillbo911 has a reputation beyond reputebillbo911 has a reputation beyond reputebillbo911 has a reputation beyond reputebillbo911 has a reputation beyond reputebillbo911 has a reputation beyond reputebillbo911 has a reputation beyond reputebillbo911 has a reputation beyond reputebillbo911 has a reputation beyond reputebillbo911 has a reputation beyond reputebillbo911 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: New Ctrl Sys Early Ship - Benchtop Test

I just heard on my way home from work that the kit was delivered to the home of the teams adviser. He will be bringing it to the school tomorrow. I asked him to have the kids inventory it first, then start following the documentation to do the OBT. I will be tied up at a management luncheon tomorrow until mid afternoon, so much for sneaking out early.

I only have one question now, how am I going to sleep tonight?
__________________
CalGames 2009 Autonomous Champion Award winner
Sacramento 2010 Creativity in Design winner, Sacramento 2010 Quarter finalist
2011 Sacramento Finalist, 2011 Madtown Engineering Inspiration Award.
2012 Sacramento Semi-Finals, 2012 Sacramento Innovation in Control Award, 2012 SVR Judges Award.
2012 CalGames Autonomous Challenge Award winner ($$$).
2014 2X Rockwell Automation: Innovation in Control Award (CVR and SAC). Curie Division Gracious Professionalism Award.
2014 Capital City Classic Winner AND Runner Up. Madtown Throwdown: Runner up.
2015 Innovation in Control Award, Sacramento.
2016 Chezy Champs Finalist, 2016 MTTD Finalist
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
**FIRST EMAIL**/Early Control System Ship Final Details Mark McLeod FIRST E-Mail Blast Archive 0 19-11-2008 14:19
Early Shipment of the New Control System EricVanWyk FRC Control System 3 05-11-2008 13:51
Early shooter test video Qbranch Robot Showcase 2 03-02-2008 15:35
Smithy or other Benchtop Mills/Lathes/CNC Dan Richardson Technical Discussion 6 21-06-2007 22:32
How early in the season did you get to test your programming? EHaskins Programming 18 20-02-2007 00:22


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:27.

The Chief Delphi Forums are sponsored by Innovation First International, Inc.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © Chief Delphi