Windows 7

[McGurky]

Well with the Windows 7 Beta hopefully coming with the new year, is anyone looking forward to it? What do you hope come with the new download?

[Maxpower57]

Originally Posted by McGurky

Well with the Windows 7 Beta hopefully coming with the new year, is anyone looking forward to it? What do you hope come with the new download?

not really. its a minor upgrade at best.
i'd rather stick with vista and not shell out the extra 200$ for a fancy new skin.

[Nate Smith]

I've had the chance to work a little with the PDC build of Windows 7 (build 6801), and even at that point, I have to say that it is quite a bit more than a minor upgrade. There have been overhauls to major parts of the code, both on the surface and under the hood. It's been a while, so I don't remember all the details, but I know that dual booting between Vista and Win7, I saw quite a few major differences. I was surprised that my old HP Laserjet 1100 did not have a driver out of the box, but it just appears that they tried to cut down on what was directly included, and made them available through download instead. I'm definitely going to try and get in on the beta once they start it, and will get a refresher at that point...

[JohnBoucher]

As one of many that elected to skip Vista, I will be trying it.

[Maxpower57]

Originally Posted by JohnBoucher

As one of many that elected to skip Vista, I will be trying it.

I still don't understand what people's problems with vista are. it really got the short end of the stick. there's nothing broken about the operating system as people seem to think, and i have seen few people get any actual problems with it.
it sure did a whole lot better than leopard did, but no one called them out on that.

i don't get it.

[McGurky]

i haven't had a single problem with vista aside from not being able to use a wireless router that was made in the pre-vista days

[JohnBoucher]

Originally Posted by Maxpower57

I still don't understand what people's problems with vista are. it really got the short end of the stick. there's nothing broken about the operating system as people seem to think, and i have seen few people get any actual problems with it.
it sure did a whole lot better than leopard did, but no one called them out on that.

i don't get it.

IMHO When released it did not work with a lot of applications. I believe that Microsoft should of done more to address third party applications prior to release.

[Daniel_LaFleur]

Originally Posted by JohnBoucher

IMHO When released it did not work with a lot of applications. I believe that Microsoft should of done more to address third party applications prior to release.

Not just applications, but also drivers for hardware needed to be rewritten and were not available at the time of Vistas launch.

[Nate Smith]

Originally Posted by Maxpower57

I still don't understand what people's problems with vista are. it really got the short end of the stick. there's nothing broken about the operating system as people seem to think, and i have seen few people get any actual problems with it.
it sure did a whole lot better than leopard did, but no one called them out on that.

i don't get it.

Prior to Service Pack 1, there were many problems with compatibility with different programs, as well as a lack of driver support for what would be considered lower-end hardware. With Vista, the default security model had changed greatly, and for too long, Windows application developers had gotten used to the old style of Windows security (read: none), and so with Vista, Windows was now preventing those applications from doing things that they had been able to do in the past.

As far as drivers are concerned, a lot of the problems were actually caused by manufacturers of "budget" hardware, such as your no-name webcams and winmodems, to name just a few. Without proper Vista drivers, this hardware would simply not work, and for the majority of computer users, they don't understand the whole driver model, and are stuck at "device X worked in XP, why doesn't it work in Vista?" Many didn't see this as the fault of the device manufacturer, but rather that of Microsoft...after all, everything "just worked" on their $399 "starter" Dell or eMachines computer before they added Vista on.

[Nate Smith]

Originally Posted by Daniel_LaFleur

Not just applications, but also drivers for hardware needed to be rewritten and were not available at the time of Vistas launch.

Or in some cases, still not available...
One example that I personally experienced -> http://www.lexmark.com/lexmark/produ...html?ta bId=7

[AustinSchuh]

Originally Posted by Daniel_LaFleur

Not just applications, but also drivers for hardware needed to be rewritten and were not available at the time of Vistas launch.

And the hardware drivers that were available, especially the graphics drivers, were quite buggy and would cause the OS to crash often.

[Daniel_LaFleur]

Originally Posted by Nate Smith

Or in some cases, still not available...
One example that I personally experienced -> http://www.lexmark.com/lexmark/produ...html?ta bId=7

I've been lucky, and all of my stuff was compatible, but I've heard the horror stories ...

All in all I've found Vista to be a decent, stable OS thats not (completely) deserving of its 'incompatibility' reputation.


Oh, and BTW Nate, I just noticed your signature ... look me up at BAE

[samir13k]

Originally Posted by Maxpower57

I still don't understand what people's problems with vista are. it really got the short end of the stick. there's nothing broken about the operating system as people seem to think, and i have seen few people get any actual problems with it.
it sure did a whole lot better than leopard did, but no one called them out on that.

i don't get it.

I'm with you on this one... once you get vista fine tuned to where you like it (i.e. set up security and defaults) it is not as bad as the reviews have been saying it was. I personally refused to install XP on my Vista computer, but i see where it had its problems when it was a new release. At least it was a bigger hit than Windows ME...(I invested in that one too...didnt do anything spectacular though!)

Mainly i think people were not ready for such a dramatic change as Vista was.

[JohnBoucher]

Originally Posted by samir13k

I'm with you on this one... once you get vista fine tuned to where you like it (i.e. set up security and defaults) it is not as bad as the reviews have been saying it was. I personally refused to install XP on my Vista computer, but i see where it had its problems when it was a new release. At least it was a bigger hit than Windows ME...(I invested in that one too...didnt do anything spectacular though!)

Mainly i think people were not ready for such a dramatic change as Vista was.

So skipping every other Microsoft OS release is the way to go
98 OK , ME Bad , XP OK, Vista Bad

[Nate Smith]

Originally Posted by Daniel_LaFleur

Oh, and BTW Nate, I just noticed your signature ... look me up at BAE

I'll be the one checking all the volunteers in...trainer for the system and running it at BAE...