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Re: <G23> question

Last sentence of G23: "If a SUPER CELL is launched into the CRATER before the last 20 seconds of the MATCH, then two (2) PENALTIES will be assigned."

It is the early launching of it, not the scoring, that is double penalized.

So suppose you fling this ball in early, and manage to score it for the opponents - you've just created a 35 point swing in score.
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Re: <G23> question

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So suppose you fling this ball in early, and manage to score it for the opponents - you've just created a 35 point swing in score.
I don't think it works that way. I think your team gets the penalty, and that ball is just not counted at the end.
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Re: <G23> question

What you think needs to be backed up by what is in the rules. I find nothing that says an early Super Cell is not allowed to be scored, for either team. If you can find something, please post it.
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Re: <G23> question

They're almost certainly not going to keep track of which super cell is legally entered and which isn't, so I'd bet on the super cell still scoring. The whole point of the 20 point penalties is to nullify any gains a team might make from deploying the super cells early. The whole point of it only counting if the super cell is launched before 20 seconds is to make it easy for the refs to officiate.

Also, I'd expect a 20-second warning similar to the end of match warnings we got in Rack 'n Roll.
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Re: <G23> question

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They're almost certainly not going to keep track of which super cell is legally entered and which isn't, so I'd bet on the super cell still scoring. The whole point of the 20 point penalties is to nullify any gains a team might make from deploying the super cells early. The whole point of it only counting if the super cell is launched before 20 seconds is to make it easy for the refs to officiate.

Also, I'd expect a 20-second warning similar to the end of match warnings we got in Rack 'n Roll.
Yeah that sounds correct, so if you do score it early you are giving yourself a 5 pt penalty, if done b4 the 20 sec mark, so u can if u want.
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Re: <G23> question

To quickly readdress the original question, at about 2:38 in the game animation, it is specifically mentioned that "humans or robots can score bonus points by getting super cells into opposing trailers." While I realize that the animation isn't the manual, it seems more likely that the statement in the manual is an oversight.

Still, something that should be addressed once the Q&A goes live.
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Re: <G23> question

I bet this issue will be fixed in a revision of the game manual to allow robots to score them as well.
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