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Re: 2 bots v. 3 bots Trailer question

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ROBOT Starting Positions – Prior to the MATCH, each TEAM negotiates within their ALLIANCE to select one of the three LAUNCH PADS of the ALLIANCE. Each ROBOT is then HITCHED to the TRAILER assigned to the selected LAUNCH PAD. The ROBOT and TRAILER are then placed entirely within the LAUNCH PAD, and positioned such that the TRAILER is in contact with the AIRLOCK or guard rail (as appropriate).
TRAILERS are assigned to LAUNCH PADS. So I assume they're always on the field, whether there's a robot or not. A robotless TRAILER is going to be a dead easy target to score on, so I think a 2 robot team is going to have a huge detriment. So.... Don't forget to show up for a match!
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Re: 2 bots v. 3 bots Trailer question

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According to <G10>:TRAILERS are assigned to LAUNCH PADS. So I assume they're always on the field, whether there's a robot or not. A robotless TRAILER is going to be a dead easy target to score on, so I think a 2 robot team is going to have a huge detriment. So.... Don't forget to show up for a match!
Wow, I missed that when I read the rules. Man, that prospect is...frightening.
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Re: 2 bots v. 3 bots Trailer question

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Wow, I missed that when I read the rules. Man, that prospect is...frightening.
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<G10> ROBOT Starting Positions – Prior to the MATCH, each TEAM negotiates within their
ALLIANCE to select one of the three LAUNCH PADS of the ALLIANCE. Each ROBOT is
then HITCHED to the TRAILER assigned to the selected LAUNCH PAD. The ROBOT and
TRAILER are then placed entirely within the LAUNCH PAD, and positioned such that the
TRAILER is in contact with the AIRLOCK or guard rail (as appropriate)
However this rule says the robot is hitched to the trailer in the launch pad, so by my understanding if a team did not show up the launch pad can't just be filled up with only a trailer, but even if that interpretation is correct, the chances of team not showing up to their match is very slim, there is a much higher chance of a robot stopping on the field because of whatever reason (broken power cord, chain loose, ect...) then that stationary bot becomes a very easy target for the human players.
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Re: 2 bots v. 3 bots Trailer question

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If only 2 teams show for an alliance, one side is going to have an advantage. If only 2 TRAILERS are placed on the field, the alliance with the no-show has an advantage. If 3 TRAILERS are placed on the field, the full alliance has an advantage. I'd imagine they wouldn't want to favor the no-show's alliance, so the advantage would go to the full alliance.

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Re: 2 bots v. 3 bots Trailer question

They don't necessarily have an advantage. Although there are less trailers to be scored on, there are also less robots to do the scoring.
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Re: 2 bots v. 3 bots Trailer question

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They don't necessarily have an advantage. Although there are less trailers to be scored on, there are also less robots to do the scoring.
Look at the image in 6.2.3 "Launch Pads." Your alliance's TRAILERS (and vice versa) start directly in front of the opposing alliance's HUMAN PLAYERS. A decent human player should be able to make almost every single ball into the stationary TRAILER sitting three feet away. If there was a robot attached to the TRAILER, the TRAILER would be moving and farther away, making it significantly harder to make shots in. It doesn't deal with the number of trailers or robots, it's the ease of the Human Player's shot.
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Re: 2 bots v. 3 bots Trailer question

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Look at the image in 6.2.3 "Launch Pads." Your alliance's TRAILERS (and vice versa) start directly in front of the opposing alliance's HUMAN PLAYERS. A decent human player should be able to make almost every single ball into the stationary TRAILER sitting three feet away. If there was a robot attached to the TRAILER, the TRAILER would be moving and farther away, making it significantly harder to make shots in. It doesn't deal with the number of trailers or robots, it's the ease of the Human Player's shot.
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If only 2 TRAILERS are placed on the field, the alliance with the no-show has an advantage.
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Re: 2 bots v. 3 bots Trailer question

My guess is that if a robot does not show up then the team would not be allowed to play during that match. That would mean that one of their payload specialist stations would be unmanned and 20 moonrocks would go unused.

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