Robot-to-robot and robot-to-trailer

[Logan Williams]

Here's my question, and I'm a little confused about it.

If we had a dumping-type mechanism, that kept within the dimension boundaries, but occasionally made contact with one of the vertical bars on a trailer while dumping, would that be penalized?

[DonRotolo]

Originally Posted by Logan Williams

If we had a dumping-type mechanism, that kept within the dimension boundaries, but occasionally made contact with one of the vertical bars on a trailer while dumping, would that be penalized?

This is the wrong place to ask, since any opinions here are not official. Ask on the official FIRST Game Q&A site.

That being said, I can offer you my worthless opinion: Probably not.

Don

[feliks_rosenber]

Hello everyone,

As some have said before, it seems that the expansion rule prevents teams from employing de-scoring tactics. However, is there any rule clearly prohibiting removing previously scored game pieces?
After all, if what is left inside the trailer at the end of the match is what counts, then there is probably a reason for that rule. I don't see scored game pieces bouncing off the trailer and out onto the crate unless they are somehow removed.

I'm hopelessly confused

[Jon236]

Originally Posted by feliks_rosenber

Hello everyone,


I'm hopelessly confused

Feliks,

Remember that the object of the exercise, as Woody says, is to make your brain hurt. That's why they DIDn't say anything about whether you can descore, while they DID say your robot had to stay in it's 28x38x60 envelope.

As everyone else has said, wait for the Q&A!

שלום

[Liz Smith]

One additional detail, which may shed a bit of light on the original question in this thread is this year's definition of BUMPER ZONE found in the first few pages of the Robot section (8)

"BUMPER ZONE- the volume contained between two virtual horizontal planes, one inch above the floor and seven inches above the floor."

With that definition contact outside the BUMPER ZONE would be anything below 1 inch or above 7 inches...

[GaryVoshol]

Well this topic is moot, with Team Update 1 out. I'll close it.

[Petey]

Originally Posted by Logan Williams

Here's my question, and I'm a little confused about it.

If we had a dumping-type mechanism, that kept within the dimension boundaries, but occasionally made contact with one of the vertical bars on a trailer while dumping, would that be penalized?

Ask in QA, but I'm gonna have to agree and say that there is no way that FIRST can intend for this to be a penalty.

My reading of the rules:

E. Contact outside of the BUMPER ZONE is not acceptable, and will result in a PENALTY. The offending ROBOT may be disqualified from the MATCH if the offense is particularly egregious or if it results in substantial damage to another ROBOT.

F. A ROBOT may not attach to and/or climb onto a ROBOT or TRAILER. Doing so will be interpreted as an attempt to damage an opposing ROBOT, and will be penalized as such.

Says that you can't hit a robot outside of the bumper zone or climb onto a trailer. But hitting bars while dumping, or incidentally touching the bars with an arm or lid function, should not be a problem.