pic: Homemade Orbit Ball! (White Paper Coming Soon)

[Kims Robot]

We are eagerly looking forward to this whitepaper since it seems we have a much more time consuming repeat of the tetras year if we want enough to host our pre-ship scrimmage

[AdamHeard]

I guess the next challenge is to make them break realistically....

[BandChick]

Thanks for this Art, and thank your dad too!
I can't wait to see your YouTube help video and your white paper.

This is FIRST inginuity at its finest!
Way to think outside the box!

[Graham Donaldson]

We might very well be doing this... I've never seen a Wal-Mart in our area. I searched, and the closest one (according to the store locator) is almost 10 miles away.

[Marc P.]

As a quick word to the wise, it may be worth checking with the manufacturer to ensure there aren't any patent/copyright issues with reproducing the Orbit balls. I'd imagine most toy companies would patent any sort of unique designs of their products, to prevent mass (re)production by competitors.

Even if they are a discontinued item, they may still be protected legally. Better to find out beforehand, than find out the hard way later.

[Elgin Clock]

Originally Posted by Marc P.

As a quick word to the wise, it may be worth checking with the manufacturer to ensure there aren't any patent/copyright issues with reproducing the Orbit balls. I'd imagine most toy companies would patent any sort of unique designs of their products, to prevent mass (re)production by competitors.

Even if they are a discontinued item, they may still be protected legally. Better to find out beforehand, than find out the hard way later.

Speaking of: http://dockets.justia.com/docket/cou...ase_id-220023/

I wonder if Poof-Slinky sued Blip over this very item, & that's why they are discontinued.
That would be true irony at it's finest.

Originally Posted by robotcanuck1676

We might very well be doing this... I've never seen a Wal-Mart in our area. I searched, and the closest one (according to the store locator) is almost 10 miles away.

What do you shop at for a similar store? Kmarts are minimal, Targets just kinda started popping up around here in the last 5 years I think, so what is your main store you shop at?

Also, 10 miles isn't that far. That's what, a 15 minute drive? (maybe 20 with dealing with the darn jughandles in your state, but still.. lol)

Then again, I drive 25 miles past 2 Walmarts on my way home & to work some days, so 10 miles isn't a big deal to me much anymore.

[Andrew Bates]

Originally Posted by Marc P.

As a quick word to the wise, it may be worth checking with the manufacturer to ensure there aren't any patent/copyright issues with reproducing the Orbit balls. I'd imagine most toy companies would patent any sort of unique designs of their products, to prevent mass (re)production by competitors.

Even if they are a discontinued item, they may still be protected legally. Better to find out beforehand, than find out the hard way later.

As long as they don't sell them they should be fine, maybe not legally but I doubt Blip toys is going to invest the time to prosecute anyone who makes these. I'm not saying it's right though.

[artdutra04]

Originally Posted by Marc P.

As a quick word to the wise, it may be worth checking with the manufacturer to ensure there aren't any patent/copyright issues with reproducing the Orbit balls. I'd imagine most toy companies would patent any sort of unique designs of their products, to prevent mass (re)production by competitors.

Even if they are a discontinued item, they may still be protected legally. Better to find out beforehand, than find out the hard way later.

We don't plan on selling them or making a profit off them in any way.

There are no patents or patent pending numbers listed on the commercial Orbit ball packaging.

Edit: The only thing a trademark or copyright can protect is the name, logo, etc. These are "interwoven, spandex-covered moon rock balls" for the 2009 FIRST Robotics Competition.

The design for these reproduction moon rock balls was only commenced because there was a need: the company discontinued production of a critical component (read: an interwoven, spandex-covered ball) needed for students participating in the goals of a non-profit organization.

And if they request that we remove the information because they have a valid reason (such as to protect an applicable patent) then we'll comply and delete anything applicable about this from the Internet. But if they do have any patents, and if the patent is unrelated to the design of the ball (such as if they patented the process by which a machine can mechanically weave the ball), then I don't see how it can affect this, since for this example these are made by hand.

So I figured let's help all teams; as this is something that can potentially help every team in the world achieve their goals of the FIRST Robotics Competition this year.

So if lawyers want to get involved and stop thousands of high school kids from successfully competing in a game made by a non-profit organization designed to inspire kids to science and technology, then they really have no soul.

[Akash Rastogi]

Art, great work on those "interwoven, spandex-covered moon rock balls!"

Let us know when that white paper is out.

[R Stephenson]

FYI
http://www.logoloc.com/first/

Look at the right side

[sayso_411]

Originally Posted by EricVicenti

I also reccomend dropping the real one and fake one at the same time while videotaping. On the tape you can count the bounces and see the height, comparing the consistancy.

What are the actual balls made of?

lol...i dont think teams have many to work with


edit: what about the right side?

[EricH]

Originally Posted by sayso_411

lol...i dont think teams have many to work with


edit: what about the right side?

Coming soon: FRC Game Pieces.

[sayso_411]

Originally Posted by EricH

Coming soon: FRC Game Pieces.

Oh wow totally missed that!

Thanks

[Andrew Bates]

I know it's not up there yet but does anyone in the "know" know how much FIRST will be selling the game pieces for?

[daltore]

FIRST is selling the game pieces for $10 a piece. You have to fill out this application process to get them.

How much does the replication ball weigh in comparison to the actual one? I see this difference being very crucial in calculations. Our team managed to find 17 balls (the afternoon of Kick-off and Sunday), so I'll try to get a chance to find the range of deviation and the distribution of deviation of the ball's weight to see if it will affect results.

If Blip has discontinued this product, how would they make money off of the design anymore? Simply by filing suits against students of a non-profit? I think it's pretty obvious they would lose, and so they'd have to foot the cost of a lawyer and actually lose money, so I'm pretty sure we'll be okay.