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Super Cell Scoring Question posted 2X by me on Q&A but no reply??

I posted this question once already and did not get a reply.

Section 7 The Game

<G20> Handling MOON ROCKS – MOON ROCKS can be SCORED by ROBOTS or PAYLOAD SPECIALISTS. PAYLOAD SPECIALIST can enter MOON ROCKS into play by launching them over the Alliance Station Wall or over/through the OUTPOST shield. MOON ROCKS can not enter the CRATER by being thrown around the end of the Alliance Station Wall. A violation will cause a PENALTY to be assigned.

<G23> SUPER CELL scoring – During the last 20 seconds of the MATCH, the PAYLOAD SPECIALIST may launch the available SUPER CELLS over the Alliance Station Wall and into the CRATER. The PAYLOAD SPECIALIST can SCORE a SUPER CELL by launching it into a TRAILER. If a SUPER CELL is launched into the CRATER before the last 20 seconds of the MATCH, then two (2) PENALTIES will be assigned.

The question: There is no mention that a Robot can score a Super Cell anywhere in this section-

<G20> says Moon rocks can be scored by Robots or Payload Specialists.
<G23> says a Payload Specialist can score a Super Cell.

Where does it say a Robot can Score a Super Cell??????????
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Re: Super Cell Scoring Question posted 2X by me on Q&A but no reply??

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I posted this question once already and did not get a reply.

Section 7 The Game

<G20> Handling MOON ROCKS – MOON ROCKS can be SCORED by ROBOTS or PAYLOAD SPECIALISTS. PAYLOAD SPECIALIST can enter MOON ROCKS into play by launching them over the Alliance Station Wall or over/through the OUTPOST shield. MOON ROCKS can not enter the CRATER by being thrown around the end of the Alliance Station Wall. A violation will cause a PENALTY to be assigned.

<G23> SUPER CELL scoring – During the last 20 seconds of the MATCH, the PAYLOAD SPECIALIST may launch the available SUPER CELLS over the Alliance Station Wall and into the CRATER. The PAYLOAD SPECIALIST can SCORE a SUPER CELL by launching it into a TRAILER. If a SUPER CELL is launched into the CRATER before the last 20 seconds of the MATCH, then two (2) PENALTIES will be assigned.

The question: There is no mention that a Robot can score a Super Cell anywhere in this section-

<G20> says Moon rocks can be scored by Robots or Payload Specialists.
<G23> says a Payload Specialist can score a Super Cell.

Where does it say a Robot can Score a Super Cell??????????
It doesn't, but it doesn't say they can't, either.
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Re: Super Cell Scoring Question posted 2X by me on Q&A but no reply??

The rules don't say you can't tip your trailer over intentiionally at the start of the game to keep anyone from scoring and take the early penalty, but I'm sure that's not in the spirit of the rules.

So my question is what was the intent behind <G23> TITLED "Super Cell Scoring", and why cover only one way to score the Super Cell, if the intent is to allow either method, and then why title <G20> "Moon Rock Handling" yet tell you both methods to score the Moon Rock.

It seems some clarification is in order.
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Re: Super Cell Scoring Question posted 2X by me on Q&A but no reply??

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The rules don't say you can't tip your trailer over intentiionally at the start of the game to keep anyone from scoring and take the early penalty, but I'm sure that's not in the spirit of the rules.
<G32> allows for a team to be disqualified for intentionally tipping a trailer. No interpretation of spirit is necessary.
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Re: Super Cell Scoring Question posted 2X by me on Q&A but no reply??

The narration for the game animation says:
"During the last 20 seconds of the match, humans or robots can score bonus points by getting super cells into opposing trailers."
The game animation says yes, but I think the GDC should confirm this officially.
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Re: Super Cell Scoring Question posted 2X by me on Q&A but no reply??

Ok Bad example, but I hope you get my question- I still think it is a valid question.
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Re: Super Cell Scoring Question posted 2X by me on Q&A but no reply??

It is clearly stated that the game animation video and anything said or done in the animation should not be interpretted as a rule.
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Re: Super Cell Scoring Question posted 2X by me on Q&A but no reply??

Get your lead mentor to ask the official Q&A on FIRST forums. The team id and password are in TIMS.
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Re: Super Cell Scoring Question posted 2X by me on Q&A but no reply??

It would seem to me that it should be possible. My thoughts is that the super cells will end up on the floor for robots to pick up as humans aren't very likely to make the shot every time. My thoughts would be that a robot is able to pick that up and score it. But like Gary said this would be a good question to ask in the Q&A
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Re: Super Cell Scoring Question posted 2X by me on Q&A but no reply??

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The rules don't say you can't tip your trailer over intentiionally at the start of the game to keep anyone from scoring and take the early penalty, but I'm sure that's not in the spirit of the rules.

So my question is what was the intent behind <G23> TITLED "Super Cell Scoring", and why cover only one way to score the Super Cell, if the intent is to allow either method, and then why title <G20> "Moon Rock Handling" yet tell you both methods to score the Moon Rock.

It seems some clarification is in order.
The manual also does not specifically indicate who can score an empty-cell.
I assume both robot and human can. How about you?
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Re: Super Cell Scoring Question posted 2X by me on Q&A but no reply??

Hence the thread title- I already posted 2X- I'm one of the lead mentors, and posted the question 2X (yes using the passwd) but have yet to hear a peep.
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Re: Super Cell Scoring Question posted 2X by me on Q&A but no reply??

Wish I had seen your post yesterday. I posted the same question late last night.

We were cruising along on our strategy until someone asked the simple question: where does it say robots are allowed to score super cells?

Hopefully the GDC will give word soon. Seems like robots should be allowed to score such a high value game piece.
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Re: Super Cell Scoring Question posted 2X by me on Q&A but no reply??

I don't have the rules in front of me, but what I remember is this.

The payload player is given a super cell in exchange for an empty cell.

The empty cells start with the outpost player.

SO, sometime during the match, the outpost player gives an empty cell to a robot, (hence the little opening in the outpost wall) the robot takes it to the payload specialist, and once there, a (judge, ref, etc) takes it and replaces it with a supercell.

Now, since supercells can only be thrown in the last 20 seconds of a match, the chances of a robot collecting a missed supercell AND making it into a trailer is highly unlikely.

So i guess there doesn't need to be a rule against a robot scoring a supercell, cause there is practically no way it will happen.
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I expect a team update on Tuesday at the latest.

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Re: Super Cell Scoring Question posted 2X by me on Q&A but no reply??

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SO, sometime during the match, the outpost player gives an empty cell to a robot, (hence the little opening in the outpost wall) the robot takes it to the payload specialist, and once there, a (judge, ref, etc) takes it and replaces it with a supercell.
This is a common misconception and is incorrect. Each FUELING STATION contains a CELL RACK. At each fueling station there are two SUPER CELLS, hung on one side of the CELL RACK. After a robot delivers an EMPTY CELL to a PAYLOAD SPECIALIST located at one of the FUELING STATIONS, the EMPTY CELL is then placed on the CELL RACK, opposite from one of the SUPER CELLS. A SUPER CELL can only be used/removed from the CELL RACK if there is an EMPTY CELL opposite it (see <G13> and <G22>).

The EMPTY CELL is never physically taken away from the PAYLOAD SPECIALIST. This is important because the PAYLOAD SPECIALIST is not required to exchange the EMPTY CELL for a SUPER CELL (<G22> reads may be exchanged. . .) Thus, the PAYLOAD SPECIALIST may decide to reenter the EMPTY CELL into to the CRATER.

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Now, since supercells can only be thrown in the last 20 seconds of a match, the chances of a robot collecting a missed supercell AND making it into a trailer is highly unlikely.

So i guess there doesn't need to be a rule against a robot scoring a supercell, cause there is practically no way it will happen.
I beg to differ.
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