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Re: Do FIRST kids behave better?

so-so everyone different and changes their behavior
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Re: Do FIRST kids behave better?

well to be exact most do behave like 99% but we're all really the same as none first kids most of us are behaved but there are dozens of none first kids who are the same
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Re: Do FIRST kids behave better?

When I think of that question I think back to a couple of incidents at the Championships a couple of years.
The first was told to me by a fellow mentor on a local team who was "propositioned" by a student in a way that I'm not sure what kind of girl he was trying to attract. The profanity filters won't let me write it out as is but let's just say she was quite offended and told the student "One. You don't talk to me that way and two I am an adult mentor!" Did he apologize? No. His only response was "For real?"
And second incident was a student approached me on an elevator and asked me a "hypothetical" question about buying porn on a school trip. I told him that school trip probably wouldn't happen again. He thanked me and scurried off, hopefully to correct his previous error.
And basically all I need to do is recall this classic thread to remember that they are still kids in need of being chaperoned on trips no matter how well they carry themselves.
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Re: Do FIRST kids behave better?

Hmmm jus gonna throw something I think in here and I don't know if everyone will agree. I have met a lot of FIRST kids who behave better when they know they are being watched but than when, you know, no one is watching they act just like every other typical high school student would. And you know people always talking about "people being to immature", I am sure at some point in time in your life you were immarute as well. And you learned from your mistakes of being immautre and moved. So why not let the "non-behaved" kids learn from their mistake. Sorry if this make no sense it made more sense in my head. I mean a lot of the kids on my team act like they are well behaved around the adults and the mentors but when it is only us around they act like the typical kid being described here. Is that wrong? No, its just a part of growing up.

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Hmmm jus gonna throw something I think in here and I don't know if everyone will agree. I have met a lot of FIRST kids who behave better when they know they are being watched but than when, you know, no one is watching they act just like every other typical high school student would. And you know people always talking about "people being to immature", I am sure at some point in time in your life you were immarute as well. And you learned from your mistakes of being immautre and moved. So why not let the "non-behaved" kids learn from their mistake. Sorry if this make no sense it made more sense in my head.
It makes sense. I'm one of those kids.
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Hmmm jus gonna throw something I think in here and I don't know if everyone will agree. I have met a lot of FIRST kids who behave better when they know they are being watched but than when, you know, no one is watching they act just like every other typical high school student would. And you know people always talking about "people being to immature", I am sure at some point in time in your life you were immarute as well. And you learned from your mistakes of being immautre and moved. So why not let the "non-behaved" kids learn from their mistake. Sorry if this make no sense it made more sense in my head. I mean a lot of the kids on my team act like they are well behaved around the adults and the mentors but when it is only us around they act like the typical kid being described here. Is that wrong? No, its just a part of growing up.
Yea, I agree with you on this. I'm guilty of it at times too. When I know that some of my mentors are watching, I behave as best I can. When I know they aren't, or when I think they're not, I'm not as well behaved. That's the same with many people on our team. And of course, there are some students who just don't care whether a mentor is watching or not, they act immaturely all the time.
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Re: Do FIRST kids behave better?

Ok, major problem with the title of this thread. better? better then what? I think if you were to rate all the students in the school from 1 to 10 with 10 being well behaved and 1 being not so well behaved. Then average them. Then do the same thing with just the kids on the robotics team. I think the robotics team would have a higher score. Why is this? Because there are some awful kids out there. Some will curse at their parents, pick a fight with a random guy, and do anything else to be obnoxious. You don't get those on a FIRST. At least, in the time I've been with FIRST, I've not seen anything like this.

FIRST kids are better behaved on average, not because they are all perfect...its just because they don't have certain types of kids to weigh down their average.

I may be completely wrong on this note, but this is the way I see it.
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Re: Do FIRST kids behave better?

Better than other kids you encounter.
It was ambiguous on purpose, to allow for the opportunity in ambiguity.

Sure, as a mentor, when I unexpectedly walk into a room I see what the kids were up to. But, as someone said, it is a part of growing up. What, you think I was an angel as a kid? You have no idea...
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Re: Do FIRST kids behave better?

I know this thread is ancient............... BUT, I'd like to get some current opinions on this matter. I, for one, am often annoyed by how rudely some students in my team behave when mentors aren't around. From throwing balls in the shop to yelling profanities at others. Of course the way I was raised is a bit different (at least culturally) from most other kids. I've found that disrespect is too often considered "part of growing up", without kids understanding the concept of repercussions of actions. To be fair, no one in my team did anything in our hotel rooms, due to how tired we all were.

How do other teams feel about this? Do FIRST kids still act like any other, or have you noticed they seem to be mature now?
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Re: Do FIRST kids behave better?

Kids behave like kids when adults are not around. Yes, some kids are better, but not many.

We do make it very clear every season what our expectations for behavior are, and I like to think this does affect them positively. Basically "no horseplay" and "be inclusive" (which means no bullying or shunning or cliques) are big ones.

While traveling we have even higher standards, especially on how they behave in the hotel, since other guests are trying to rest. (This is a sore point for me, since I travel a lot and am frequently one of those "other guests").

So, I think if we didn't make it real clear, we'd see typical kid behavior. Even then, we sometimes do.
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Re: Do FIRST kids behave better?

I've got a good story regarding this.

A couple of years ago our team was staying at a fairly fancy hotel that we have stayed at for a number of years. I recognized the concierge as having been there for the years that I had attended. I ended up in the elevator with him, a student from another team with orange spiked hair and a girl from FBLA who was attending a conference that was being held in the hotel at the same time. Both of the girls got off of the elevator at lower floors so I asked him if he dreaded the time that robots came to town. His answer surprised me a bit, he said no they are always well behaved, the groups that I dread are the church groups because those kids are always out of control and often inadequately supervised.

So yeah FIRST kids behave better on average.
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Re: Do FIRST kids behave better?

At least at hotels, I don't think it's the fact that we're FIRST kids. I think it's that we're at competition.
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On an exchange trip to France (unrelated to robotics, except that I went and that the teacher in charge, our main mentor's wife, mentors when she can), we spent a few days in Paris. When we checked out, the concierge told our teacher that the group had been extremely well-behaved.
In French, she responded with something to the effect of, "Of course! It's like having dogs- you have to run them all day until they're so tired that when they get back to the hotel at night, they have no choice but to collapse into bed."
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That's pretty much exactly what happens to our team at competition- it's the culmination of all the work we've put into the team that year, and everyone there does as much as they can to help our team succeed. Waking up early to get into the stands; coming back late from fixing the robot; by the time we get back to the hotel after competition, we're exhausted.
And anecdotally, as a former team captain, the first night's room check is usually the most annoying if the team got in the night before competition starts.

Outside of that? I've seen the team behave themselves, and I've seen the team be rude. I suppose it can easily change based on what setting your selective memory is on, and I don't keep records of mine.
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