Go to Post While a great deal in engineering is random, unknown, and often unsolvable, nothing in engineering is black magic. - TedP [more]
Home
Go Back   Chief Delphi > Competition > Rules/Strategy
CD-Media   CD-Spy  
portal register members calendar search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read FAQ rules

 
 
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Prev Previous Post   Next Post Next
  #28   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 21-01-2009, 10:15
PhilBot's Avatar
PhilBot PhilBot is offline
Get a life? This IS my life!
AKA: Phil Malone
FRC #1629 (GaCo: The Garrett Coalition)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Rookie Year: 2006
Location: Maryland
Posts: 747
PhilBot has a reputation beyond reputePhilBot has a reputation beyond reputePhilBot has a reputation beyond reputePhilBot has a reputation beyond reputePhilBot has a reputation beyond reputePhilBot has a reputation beyond reputePhilBot has a reputation beyond reputePhilBot has a reputation beyond reputePhilBot has a reputation beyond reputePhilBot has a reputation beyond reputePhilBot has a reputation beyond repute
Re: <G14> during eliminations

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Steele View Post
I can see an interesting strategy in which an alliance who has won the first match and seems to be losing the 2nd match dumps balls into its own alliance in order to gain the supercell advantage in the third match of the elimination.
My first reaction to this strategy was: "That's terrible, it's like throwing the match. How un-GP".

But then I started to wonder. A LOT of thoughts came to mind.

1) How practical is it to know the likely outcome of the game anyway. Even if the real-time scoring says 40-20, that's only a difference of 2 super-cells. Would you really have enough knowledge and determination to start scoring on yourselves, rather than trying to even the odds a bit and win with a super-cell or two.

2) Since the human players have control over the Super-Cells at the end, how quickly are you going to be able to assess their final scoring capability, and make the determination that you're better off NOT trying to win, but instead hold-back to get better handicap next game.

In other words, the final outcome of the game can be tipped either way with one or two well/badly placed super cells, so I think most teams would be hard pressed to back off. It will be a VERY HARD LESSON to learn.

But perhaps FIRST really is trying to get us to learn it.

FIRST is always about teaching us Life Lessons.

They tried "teamwork" in Aim High, making us help our alliances onto the ramp at the end. Exponential reward for additional robots.
---> Impromptu Cooperation...

They took it further in Rack 'n Roll, where we had to be innovative about lifting strategies so that unknown alliance robots could work together.
--> Cooperation by design...

I think this year they are teaching us that sometimes we need to PLAN to sacrifice our own "glory" to ensure that those around us also have a shot at success.
--> Strategic cooperation.

It's the ultimate "Not winning at all costs" lesson. You actually have to PLAN A STRATEGY to assist your compeditors so that you can both succeed.

Phew..... I get it.

Phil.
__________________
Phil Malone
Garrett Engineering And Robotics Society (GEARS) founder.
http://www.GEARSinc.org

FRC1629 Mentor, FTC2818 Coach, FTC4240 Mentor, FLL NeXTGEN Mentor
 


Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
pic: Delphi Elite giving a 60 point lift in the Buckeye Eliminations Dan 1038 Extra Discussion 10 09-04-2010 18:26
<G14> Shenanigans? Team1710 Rules/Strategy 123 12-01-2009 12:42
pic: 1038 Nails auton in the Pitt eliminations Dan 1038 Extra Discussion 20 11-04-2007 23:33
pic: 1528 giving a 60 point lift in the Buckeye Eliminations Dan 1038 Extra Discussion 9 26-03-2007 11:16
pic: 378 giving a 60 point lift in the Buckeye Eliminations Dan 1038 Extra Discussion 1 25-03-2007 12:53


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 21:12.

The Chief Delphi Forums are sponsored by Innovation First International, Inc.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © Chief Delphi