Team 241's Turret Prototype ontop of the Harvester Prototype

[Justin Montois]

Originally Posted by teampronto

Not to diss any teams, but I don't really like seeing only mentors working on a robot. I've heard that's how it is a lot with the good teams, but it makes me sad

All I'm going to say is be careful. This has been discussed at great length many times on this site and turning another thread into a Mentor Built V. Student built debate thread is highly unpopular.

If you want to join in on that discussion please refer to some of these threads..

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...ad.php?t=66536
^^Most Recent

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...ad.php?t=40514

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...ad.php?t=60094

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...ad.php?t=45496

^^Older for reference

[R.C.]

Originally Posted by 340x4xLife

All I'm going to say is be careful. This has been discussed at great length many times on this site and turning another thread into a Mentor Built V. Student built debate thread is highly unpopular.

If you want to join in on that discussion please refer to some of these threads..

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...ad.php?t=40514

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...ad.php?t=60094

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...ad.php?t=45496

Thanks for the links, I was trying to stay away from a debate. I know how those go

[Justin Montois]

Originally Posted by rc_cola1323

Thanks for the links, I was trying to stay away from a debate. I know how those go

No problem, I don't want this thread hijacked like many many others have been

[jsasaki]

lets hope nothing but the rover wheels touch the floor haha

[GaryVoshol]

And how do we know those old guys(*) standing around with hands in their pockets aren't just thinking, "Man, I'm so inspired by what those kids can do!"

(*) I resemble that remark.

[teampronto]

OK people. Didn't want to get into this debate. Let's end it here. rc_cola1323 made an excellent point a few posts back. Thanks

[Dantvman27]

Wow... **face palm** ok well i didnt even relise it when i posted this picture but our robot has been student designed and student built! The mentors just happen to be the ones in the picture wow look at the can of worms i opened up


Team 241 takes prides in that the mentors teach and the students design build and drive

[nahstobor]

Is it just me or do some robots seem like they are playing Aim High? Just messing 241 the design looks great and simple. I feel like teams who can perfect the turreted shooter will have a big advantage this year.

[MCahoon]

Realize that this is a prototype, but it seems like the center of mass is pretty far back - given the motors/electronics/etc are mounted behind the axis between the rear wheels. Is there something under the rear of the robot to ensure it doesn't tip back? Also, is the rear of the frame indicative of the shape the competition robot will have (thinking of bumper rules and external corners).

I like the simplicity of the straight up and in ball feed path. Nice job of prototyping. Seems like I've seen a lot of wood on prototypes this year - including our own.

[Dantvman27]

There is a rear fifth wheel that only will contact the ground if it begins to tip, and it litterally is one prototype sitting on top of another, so they arnt exactly lined up, the final works like a beauty

[jimbot]

Picture! Picture! Picture!

Can your turret hit a moving target reliably? That was our worry with the turret design.

[NorviewsVeteran]

Originally Posted by Dantvman27

Wow... **face palm** ok well i didnt even relise it when i posted this picture but our robot has been student designed and student built! The mentors just happen to be the ones in the picture wow look at the can of worms i opened up

At least the worms had valid points.

[wsansewjs]

Originally Posted by rc_cola1323

Your not alone with that, when I started FIRST in 2006; I felt the same way. Why do Poofs, RAWC, Pink, Beachbots do so good and kick our butts. They are so mentor built. WRONG OR RIGHT. They have a great offseason, great mentors to help create fantastic bots. I at first did think that they cheated and now I have come to accept the fact that those teams just rock. Itz kinda like sports, Yankees have enough money to buy the best players and the best equipment. But don't u want to beat those teams ever? What fun would it be if everyone was equally matched. I would like to take time and thank all the 6+ year veterans for making this competition so awesome and for creating killer miller bots. I really don't care if a group of engineers build a bot or students, I just wanna learn and have great build and offseason. Also I want to give back to the FIRST Community as much as I can.

2.75 Weeks left have fun teams,
Good Luck

-RC

This needs to go into the Spotlight List. Right on the dime.

-Josh S.

[FIXIT]

Originally Posted by teampronto

Not to diss any teams, but I don't really like seeing only mentors working on a robot. I've heard that's how it is a lot with the good teams, but it makes me sad

The sophistication of some of the robots I’ve seen in the past is simply amazing. It’s hard to believe that students have the skill sets needed to design, manufacture, assemble, test, and program a robot in just six weeks and be a national contender. I’m not saying it is impossible, sometimes a well thought out and simple design with great team work is all you need. The way I see it, the students should build the robot and the engineers (mentors) tweak it during the process. Unfortunately, FIRST is a competition and some teams lose sight of the value FIRST offers to teach the next generation of technicians!

[Dantvman27]

Originally Posted by jimbot

Picture! Picture! Picture!

Can your turret hit a moving target reliably? That was our worry with the turret design.

The cannons distance and accuracy were was perfectly consistent. We trust that our programming will make a fairly strong targeting system