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Unread 10-02-2009, 10:34
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Re: Static warning!!!

As for testing, we have been using a drag wire to discharge the potential difference between the bot and the floor. We know that we cannot do it at the competition, but it is a good thing to do while you are in the shop testing.
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Unread 10-02-2009, 10:46
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As for testing, we have been using a drag wire to discharge the potential difference between the bot and the floor. We know that we cannot do it at the competition,...
What rule prevents you from doing it?
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Re: Static warning!!!

As long as it doesn't add traction, damage the floor or connect to either battery terminal, a discharge wire sounds good to me.

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Re: Static warning!!!

Anthony,

As Alan and Russ have advised, yes you can have a discharge wire, In addition to their guidance, I would add to be sure that the wire is always within the "bumper perimeter" and does not pose an entanglement hazard.

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Re: Static warning!!!

As I said this is for testing only for us. The rule says that the only contact with the floor must be with the wheels provided in the kit.
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As I said this is for testing only for us. The rule says that the only contact with the floor must be with the wheels provided in the kit.
Again I ask: what rule? So far as I can tell, neither the manual nor the GDC's Q&A responses make a static drain wire illegal.
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Re: Static warning!!!

Actually, that's not what the rule says. You'll be safe if you use this simplification but it's not technically accurate.

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Re: Static warning!!!

Does this rework thing solve the problem or should teams still take other precautions?
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Re: Static warning!!!

Should solve the problem but other precautions wouldn't hurt. It's always good practice to ground yourself before working with/around electronics.

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Re: Static warning!!!

Thank you. I need to show this one to the rest of the team. It took me a day to convince the team to mount the CRIO on non-static materian (wood). They didn't believe the frame would carry a charge.
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It took me a day to convince the team to mount the CRIO on non-static materian (wood).
<R41> should have convinced them in a matter of seconds.
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