Go to Post That goal is going to commit suicide by the end of the regional........so many balls @_@... - DanDon [more]
Home
Go Back   Chief Delphi > Technical > Technical Discussion
CD-Media   CD-Spy  
portal register members calendar search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read FAQ rules

 
Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
  #1   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 10-02-2009, 20:05
Ironstorm's Avatar
Ironstorm Ironstorm is offline
Registered User
AKA: Sean
FRC #2729 (The STORM)
Team Role: College Student
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Rookie Year: 2006
Location: Mount Laurel
Posts: 9
Ironstorm will become famous soon enoughIronstorm will become famous soon enough
2729 Safety

Hello everybody
I have a question on part of robot. The following pictures are of a giant sprocket that turns our turret.








Oviously the area between the two sprockets would be considered a pinch point but do you think the edge of the sprocket being exposed would constitute a safety violation prohibiting us from playing?
  #2   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 10-02-2009, 21:03
gorrilla's Avatar
gorrilla gorrilla is offline
1557 alumni, 4639 mentor
AKA: adam spears
FRC #4639 (RoboSpartans)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Rookie Year: 2007
Location: Houston
Posts: 957
gorrilla has a brilliant futuregorrilla has a brilliant futuregorrilla has a brilliant futuregorrilla has a brilliant futuregorrilla has a brilliant futuregorrilla has a brilliant futuregorrilla has a brilliant futuregorrilla has a brilliant futuregorrilla has a brilliant futuregorrilla has a brilliant futuregorrilla has a brilliant future
Re: 2729 Safety



thats absolutley the biggest gear i have ever seen on a FRC robot




if you enclose it somehow it should be fine, like make a "ring" to go around it
__________________
Adam Spears



Team 1557 2007-2011 student-Lake County FL

Current Team 4639 mentor- Houston TX
  #3   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 10-02-2009, 21:30
EricH's Avatar
EricH EricH is offline
New year, new team
FRC #1197 (Torbots)
Team Role: Engineer
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Rookie Year: 2003
Location: SoCal
Posts: 19,813
EricH has a reputation beyond reputeEricH has a reputation beyond reputeEricH has a reputation beyond reputeEricH has a reputation beyond reputeEricH has a reputation beyond reputeEricH has a reputation beyond reputeEricH has a reputation beyond reputeEricH has a reputation beyond reputeEricH has a reputation beyond reputeEricH has a reputation beyond reputeEricH has a reputation beyond repute
Re: 2729 Safety

That would depend on a number of factors, including but not limited to:
--placement of nearby supports
--speed of turning?
--where in the robot, i.e. is it near an edge?

If you think there is a pinch point, shield it. If it's near an edge of the robot, shield that, too. Bring more shielding to your first event to deal with issues the inspectors raise, which we may or may not be able to see.
__________________
Past teams:
2003-2007: FRC0330 BeachBots
2008: FRC1135 Shmoebotics
2012: FRC4046 Schroedinger's Dragons

"Rockets are tricky..."--Elon Musk

  #4   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 10-02-2009, 21:36
DonRotolo's Avatar
DonRotolo DonRotolo is offline
Back to humble
FRC #0832
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Rookie Year: 2005
Location: Atlanta GA
Posts: 7,011
DonRotolo has a reputation beyond reputeDonRotolo has a reputation beyond reputeDonRotolo has a reputation beyond reputeDonRotolo has a reputation beyond reputeDonRotolo has a reputation beyond reputeDonRotolo has a reputation beyond reputeDonRotolo has a reputation beyond reputeDonRotolo has a reputation beyond reputeDonRotolo has a reputation beyond reputeDonRotolo has a reputation beyond reputeDonRotolo has a reputation beyond repute
Re: 2729 Safety

Those are gears. not sprockets.

Definitely shield the pinch point where the gears mesh. A think sheet of lexan will suffice.

I can't say about the edge, if it is sharp, how easily it can be touched, etc., but again a thin sheet of plastic cut in a ring that sits just above the gear teeth but hangs over them maybe an inch should be pretty good. As the wise Eric H wrote, bring materials to make shields should the need arise.
__________________

I am N2IRZ - What's your callsign?
  #5   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 10-02-2009, 22:48
Ironstorm's Avatar
Ironstorm Ironstorm is offline
Registered User
AKA: Sean
FRC #2729 (The STORM)
Team Role: College Student
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Rookie Year: 2006
Location: Mount Laurel
Posts: 9
Ironstorm will become famous soon enoughIronstorm will become famous soon enough
Re: 2729 Safety

Well the original design called for a chain so it was supposed to be a sprocket but the chain did not fit.

The outside edge is maybe 2 inches on either side from the perimeter. It is powered by a window motor so I seriously doubt speed will be an issue with the huge gear ratio.

As for sharpness I think it would be pretty hard to cut anything on the edge but it certainly could give you a nasty poke. I figure we could sandwich it with pieces of plastic. Thanks for the opinions.
  #6   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 10-02-2009, 22:53
EricH's Avatar
EricH EricH is offline
New year, new team
FRC #1197 (Torbots)
Team Role: Engineer
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Rookie Year: 2003
Location: SoCal
Posts: 19,813
EricH has a reputation beyond reputeEricH has a reputation beyond reputeEricH has a reputation beyond reputeEricH has a reputation beyond reputeEricH has a reputation beyond reputeEricH has a reputation beyond reputeEricH has a reputation beyond reputeEricH has a reputation beyond reputeEricH has a reputation beyond reputeEricH has a reputation beyond reputeEricH has a reputation beyond repute
Re: 2729 Safety

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ironstorm View Post
The outside edge is maybe 2 inches on either side from the perimeter. It is powered by a window motor so I seriously doubt speed will be an issue with the huge gear ratio.

As for sharpness I think it would be pretty hard to cut anything on the edge but it certainly could give you a nasty poke. I figure we could sandwich it with pieces of plastic. Thanks for the opinions.
Sandwiching with plastic would certainly be a good idea, with extra near pinch points like the drive motor. Also add some extra near the sides; it's not uncommon for a robot to tip that far, depending on how high this gear is.
__________________
Past teams:
2003-2007: FRC0330 BeachBots
2008: FRC1135 Shmoebotics
2012: FRC4046 Schroedinger's Dragons

"Rockets are tricky..."--Elon Musk

  #7   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 10-02-2009, 23:19
Ironstorm's Avatar
Ironstorm Ironstorm is offline
Registered User
AKA: Sean
FRC #2729 (The STORM)
Team Role: College Student
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Rookie Year: 2006
Location: Mount Laurel
Posts: 9
Ironstorm will become famous soon enoughIronstorm will become famous soon enough
Re: 2729 Safety

Good Idea
  #8   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 11-02-2009, 00:17
Rickertsen2 Rickertsen2 is offline
Umm Errr...
None #1139 (Chamblee Gear Grinders)
Team Role: Alumni
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Rookie Year: 2002
Location: ATL
Posts: 1,421
Rickertsen2 has a brilliant futureRickertsen2 has a brilliant futureRickertsen2 has a brilliant futureRickertsen2 has a brilliant futureRickertsen2 has a brilliant futureRickertsen2 has a brilliant futureRickertsen2 has a brilliant futureRickertsen2 has a brilliant futureRickertsen2 has a brilliant futureRickertsen2 has a brilliant futureRickertsen2 has a brilliant future
Send a message via AIM to Rickertsen2 Send a message via Yahoo to Rickertsen2
Re: 2729 Safety

funny society we live in. If you think it will be an issue you could always stick a square of lexan over the offending area and suspend it from standoffs from the crosswise pieces.
__________________
1139 Alumni
  #9   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 11-02-2009, 07:36
GaryVoshol's Avatar
GaryVoshol GaryVoshol is offline
Cogito ergo arbitro
no team
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Rookie Year: 2000
Location: Royal Oak, MI
Posts: 5,750
GaryVoshol has a reputation beyond reputeGaryVoshol has a reputation beyond reputeGaryVoshol has a reputation beyond reputeGaryVoshol has a reputation beyond reputeGaryVoshol has a reputation beyond reputeGaryVoshol has a reputation beyond reputeGaryVoshol has a reputation beyond reputeGaryVoshol has a reputation beyond reputeGaryVoshol has a reputation beyond reputeGaryVoshol has a reputation beyond reputeGaryVoshol has a reputation beyond repute
Re: 2729 Safety

Quote:
<R05> Exterior or exposed surfaces on the ROBOT shall not present undue hazards to the team members, event staff or GAME PIECES. Reasonable efforts must be taken to remove, mitigate, or shield any sharp edges, pinch points, entanglement hazards, projectiles, extreme visual/audio emitters, etc. from the exterior of the ROBOT. All points and corners that would be commonly expected to contact a GAME PIECE should have a minimum radius of 0.125 inches to avoid becoming a snag/puncture hazard. All edges that would be commonly expected to contact a GAME PIECE should have a minimum radius of 0.030 inches. All of these potential hazards will be carefully inspected.
So if the points are less than 1/8" radius, they should be shielded.
__________________
(since 2004)
Closed Thread


Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
**FIRST EMAIL**/Safety Animation Award Update & Safety Quiz Mark McLeod FIRST E-Mail Blast Archive 6 10-10-2008 14:58
Safety fatjoe3833 FRC Game Design 2 16-01-2006 00:02
Safety PURPLE! General Forum 6 25-04-2005 00:30
Safety pauluffel General Forum 9 21-01-2003 23:45


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:43.

The Chief Delphi Forums are sponsored by Innovation First International, Inc.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © Chief Delphi