How is the Witholding Allowance at events being enforced?

[Al Skierkiewicz]

Garret.
I think it is just the opposite. The vast majority of teams do what they can to follow the rules and act in as GP a manner as is possible. With repsect to the latest interpretation of the battery, teams will disassemble their batteries to be compliant. It is what makes my job easier than it could be. I have to say that in perhaps 20 or more events of 50 or more teams, I have only found one team that willfully violated the rules and one that gave me a hard time about inspections but had not violated anything. Of all those things that did not pass in inspections, the team was not trying to hide anything, but they all failed to read and keep up to date on the revisions and updates. In a rare instance, teams failed to correct an item even after it was pointed out to them.
I will respect you until you give me a reason not to.

[DonRotolo]

Originally Posted by Al Skierkiewicz

With repsect to the latest interpretation of the battery, teams will disassemble their batteries to be compliant.

Sigh. 1676 has disassembled all of their battery connectors. Whether we agree or not is irrelevant - the rules are the rules, sometimes they don't seem to make sense, and sometimes they are made just to add some complexity to the 'problem'... but if everyone has to follow them, it's just as good (or bad) for everyone.

[Rich Kressly]

McMaster has too many sinks, I can't decide.

[Brandon Holley]

Originally Posted by Rich Kressly

McMaster has too many sinks, I can't decide.

Rich,
What about p/n: 2642K95 ????

Its not a sink, per say.....


-Brando

[petek]

Originally Posted by Rich Kressly

McMaster has too many sinks, I can't decide.

It's not at McMaster, but here's a nice one.

I'll second Al's advise to all week one teams to wait and see what today's update has in store before disassembling battery cable assemblies. (Everyone have their fingers crossed?)

[IndySam]

We will be waiting to disassemble our battery assemblies. If the stay of sentence doesn't come form the GDC we will be doing it on the ride from Indy to Cleveland Wednesday evening.

[GaryVoshol]

Good thing if you waited. See Team Update 15. Thanks, GDC.

Also notice, withholding allowances will be "spot checked".

[IndySam]

Originally Posted by GaryVoshol

Good thing if you waited.

Believe it or not, I had faith in them

[Elgin Clock]

Originally Posted by GaryVoshol

Good thing if you waited. See Team Update 15. Thanks, GDC Also notice, withholding allowances will be "spot checked".

Guess that answers my original question officially!

[chinckley]

Originally Posted by GaryVoshol

Good thing if you waited. See Team Update 15. Thanks, GDC.

Also notice, withholding allowances will be "spot checked".

I guess I am really confused. What are they meaning when they talk about the battery assemblies.

In a nutshell what could be in the withholding allowance?

I see the rule: <R36>
Teams may bring a maximum of 40 pounds of custom FABRICATED ITEMS (SPARE
PARTS, REPLACEMENT PARTS, and UPGRADE PARTS, plus all WITHHOLDING
ALLOWANCE items) to each competition event to be used to repair and/or upgrade their
ROBOT at the competition site. All other FABRICATED ITEMS to be used on the ROBOT
during the competition shall arrive at the competition venue packed in the shipping crate with
the ROBOT.
• Exception: the OPERATOR CONSOLE is not included in the incoming parts weight
restriction.



Thanks.

[Elgin Clock]

Originally Posted by chinckley

I guess I am really confused. What are they meaning when they talk about the battery assemblies.

In a nutshell what is the withholding allowance?

Thanks.

Spare and/or Fabricated parts you can bring into the competition.
Read the manual & Search for Witholding Allowances, & then go re-read update 15 for how it pertains to batteries/battery assemblies (batteres with the power cables attached).

[chinckley]

Originally Posted by Elgin Clock

Spare and/or Fabricated parts you can bring into the competition.
Read the manual & Search for Witholding Allowances, & then go re-read update 15 for how it pertains to batteries/battery assemblies (batteres with the power cables attached).

Ok, I read it. So now there is no limit to the weight of the batteries we bring and we can leave them totally assembled. If we have no manufactured extra parts, do we count raw materials such as extra sheet of lexan, in case ours gets torn, bumper extra material? Or is it only things manufactured.

Thanks.

[Vikesrock]

Originally Posted by chinckley

Ok, I read it. So now there is no limit to the weight of the batteries we bring and we can leave them totally assembled. If we have no manufactured extra parts, do we count raw materials such as extra sheet of lexan, in case ours gets torn, bumper extra material? Or is it only things manufactured.

Thanks.

If the sheet of lexan, plywood, pool noodles, and bumper fabric would all need to be cut to be used on the robot then they do not count towards the allowance. They would count as RAW MATERIALS as defined in Update 14. Unlimited RAW MATERIALS and COTS items may be brought to the event according to <R35> as amended in that update.

Only FABRICATED ITEMS as defined in section 8 of the manual must be counted in the WITHHOLDING ALLOWANCE.

[chinckley]

Originally Posted by Vikesrock

If the sheet of lexan, plywood, pool noodles, and bumper fabric would all need to be cut to be used on the robot then they do not count towards the allowance. They would count as RAW MATERIALS as defined in Update 14. Unlimited RAW MATERIALS and COTS items may be brought to the event according to <R35> as amended in that update.

Only FABRICATED ITEMS as defined in section 8 of the manual must be counted in the WITHHOLDING ALLOWANCE.

What about bumpers?
What about Michigan teams where we have a plastic bag we put the robot in.
How much stuff did teams cram in there.

Thank you so kindly.
That is what I needed to know.

I really appreciate it.

[ATannahill]

This is how I interpret it

Bumpers count in the 40lbs if they are not in the bag.
Robot/bag do not count.
You can put anything in the bag you want, I would suggest straying away from tools so it doesnt look like you were trying to work through the bag.