2009 Buckeye Thoughts...

[Dan 1038]

So,

After a day of watching practices at Buckeye, I present the following:
1. Dumping bots appear to have the advantage over shooters
2. There will definately be a place for defense
3. Not sure there will be many teams actually going after Super Cells
4. Ones to watch: 292, 829, 868 and 1250

Thoughts?

[wilmo]

Add yourself to the list.

[Arefin Bari]

Someone please give me an update on Team 108. Thanks.

[Ryan Dognaux]

Thoughts so far -

The regional participants and teams of Ohio have been really great to the Purdue FIRST Indiana teams.

Harrison Boiler Robotics 1747 seems to have the most effective shooter at the competition while 1038 has the most effective dumper, showing that there's definitely room for multiple game play styles this year.

Super cells are still a valid strategy, more so than I thought they would be.

All in all, a great regional so far, thanks to all the teams who have been awesome.

[ATannahill]

My thought: awards are not posted at http://www2.usfirst.org/2009comp/events/OH/awards.html, anyone know why?

[ComradeNikolai]

1. cRIOs can and will brick. We got lucky and were within the <1% failure rate.
2. Many teams will be sharing Driver Stations. We also got lucky and were within the minority that were using a shared DS (enough were broken that Pit Admin. ran out of spares).
3. Propeller robots make VERY effective fans in the practice areas. VERY effective.

[spc295]

Originally Posted by ComradeNikolai

1. cRIOs can and will brick. We got lucky and were within the <1% failure rate.
2. Many teams will be sharing Driver Stations. We also got lucky and were within the minority that were using a shared DS (enough were broken that Pit Admin. ran out of spares).
3. Propeller robots make VERY effective fans in the practice areas. VERY effective.

what do you mean about fans?

[ComradeNikolai]

Originally Posted by spc295

what do you mean about fans?

It was rather hot inside the competition venue, and we all appreciated it when they turned on their robot for us

[bobwrit]

What I saw(general):

Alliances that have the following combonation seem to do well:
1 spiral
2 convayers
&
1 shooter
2 dumpers

Also the average score for the matches seem to be 50ish.
Not very many teams are using spirals, but the ones that are seem to be doing better.

[logicalyrandom]

My observations:

1: Having a no-show or non-functioning robot is usually lethal to the alliance.

2: shooters tend to be less effective than dumpers.

3: Festos have a very high failure rate. Bring spares.

[mathking]

My first observation is that the human players are critical. Not just for shooting ability but also judgment. Waiting for opportune moments to shoot was a crucial factor in human player success. Also, there were a lot more penalties for throwing the empty cell over the outpost wall than I thought there would be. It is an easier mistake to make in the heat of the moment than we thought it would be. Having a human player who was calm and cool under pressure was a big advantage. Our next door neighbors in the pits (who are also one of the closest teams to us geographically) 2387 were struggling through a robot that broke just before ship, leading to shipping an incomplete prototype robot. But they combined some skillful driving with excellent human player play to help win a number of matches. For most of the last two days I have been harboring a nagging sense of not liking how influential the human players were. But as the elimination matches progressed, I realized that the good teams (and good alliances) had good human players, good robots, good driving and good strategy. Just like any other year.

Another impression from Cleveland was one of happiness. Anyone who has ever been to an FRC competition knows they are intensely happy, but this year's Buckeye Regional seemed, at least to me, to be even more happy than usual. I noticed this on Thursday as we were dealing with out two hour odyssey of firmware upgrade leading to completely disabled robot stress. Our team was stressed and frantic, but all still smiling. Rookie team 2941 was dealing with a rash of bad luck, but obviously having a great time. 1646, just behind us in the pits, was had a great robot with one little problem after another, but they just kept getting it together. 963 and 379 were there usual balls of energy and good will. 1317 (our "sister" program under OSUFIRST) was amazing. 829 going out of their way to help ANYONE with a problem. Some kids from 63 helping a volunteer pick up a bunch of spilled papers and smiling the whole time. Maybe it was just the impressions of our team. And maybe it was because this year there was no snow storm, just a 35 degree drop in temperature. But whatever the reason all the happy people around certainly made us happy. So I want to say hats off to all the teams. It was a great time! It really made me remember why I like FIRST so much. Kids learning that engineering, hard work and being nice can be fun. Really, really fun. If your going to change the world, enjoying the effort along the way is a really nice fringe benefit.

[Koko Ed]

Originally Posted by mathking

My first observation is that the human players are critical. Not just for shooting ability but also judgment. Waiting for opportune moments to shoot was a crucial factor in human player success. Also, there were a lot more penalties for throwing the empty cell over the outpost wall than I thought there would be. It is an easier mistake to make in the heat of the moment than we thought it would be. Having a human player who was calm and cool under pressure was a big advantage. Our next door neighbors in the pits (who are also one of the closest teams to us geographically) 2387 were struggling through a robot that broke just before ship, leading to shipping an incomplete prototype robot. But they combined some skillful driving with excellent human player play to help win a number of matches. For most of the last two days I have been harboring a nagging sense of not liking how influential the human players were. But as the elimination matches progressed, I realized that the good teams (and good alliances) had good human players, good robots, good driving and good strategy. Just like any other year.

Another impression from Cleveland was one of happiness. Anyone who has ever been to an FRC competition knows they are intensely happy, but this year's Buckeye Regional seemed, at least to me, to be even more happy than usual. I noticed this on Thursday as we were dealing with out two hour odyssey of firmware upgrade leading to completely disabled robot stress. Our team was stressed and frantic, but all still smiling. Rookie team 2941 was dealing with a rash of bad luck, but obviously having a great time. 1646, just behind us in the pits, was had a great robot with one little problem after another, but they just kept getting it together. 963 and 379 were there usual balls of energy and good will. 1317 (our "sister" program under OSUFIRST) was amazing. 829 going out of their way to help ANYONE with a problem. Some kids from 63 helping a volunteer pick up a bunch of spilled papers and smiling the whole time. Maybe it was just the impressions of our team. And maybe it was because this year there was no snow storm, just a 35 degree drop in temperature. But whatever the reason all the happy people around certainly made us happy. So I want to say hats off to all the teams. It was a great time! It really made me remember why I like FIRST so much. Kids learning that engineering, hard work and being nice can be fun. Really, really fun. If your going to change the world, enjoying the effort along the way is a really nice fringe benefit.

Happiness is a warm motor (wrr! wrrr! Zoom! Zoom!).

[mathking]

Originally Posted by Koko Ed

Happiness is a warm motor (wrr! wrrr! Zoom! Zoom!).

Given how cold it was outside (and in my car) when we got back home from Buckeye tonight I will have to heartily agree.

Warm motor = warm air = warm car ≠ cold mentor.

[Caroline2399]

Originally Posted by ComradeNikolai

3. Propeller robots make VERY effective fans in the practice areas. VERY effective.
It was rather hot inside the competition venue, and we all appreciated it when they turned on their robot for us

Haha glad we could help

[Ryan Dognaux]

Originally Posted by mathking

1646, just behind us in the pits, was had a great robot with one little problem after another, but they just kept getting it together.

I think that is a great way to sum up our robot for a good part of the regional But we learned a lot at Cleveland and are going to change some things for BMR.

Also, you guys were great. Congratulations on the Chairman's Award and thanks for giving us an AWESOME mentor - Adam Wilke!