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Re: pic: 2009 FRC Medals - New Design!

After seeing the trophy size with better clarity, I didnt realize just how much smaller they are with respect to the previous years.
That's too bad.
Gotta save those old trophies now............
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Re: pic: 2009 FRC Medals - New Design!

This may sound cheesy, but....Isn't the 120 pound regional winning bot a big enough of a trophy? Honestly, I'll keep a little medal for a commemorative thing, but if it gets too big it just gets in the way. Don't know, I just never cared for the ridiculously huge trophies that take two hands to carry.
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Re: pic: 2009 FRC Medals - New Design!

Trust me, I am sure teams wont mind having that problem, if they win either a CA or RC award ('08 and previous year's trophy size).
My recommendation was that events keep the boxes they came in, so teams can easily transport their awards without damaging or scratching them.

The FIRST symbol at the top of the trophies can break off easily if your not careful. We know from first hand experience........
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Re: pic: 2009 FRC Medals - New Design!

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This may sound cheesy, but....Isn't the 120 pound regional winning bot a big enough of a trophy?
I agree. If you were to hand these medals or trophies to someone who has not had experience of being in FIRST, they would be worthless. Whether FIRST is trying to save money or be a little more green, we should still appreciate the experience. And not many people can say they have a 120 trailer dragging orbit ball handling trophy!
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Re: pic: 2009 FRC Medals - New Design!

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This may sound cheesy, but....Isn't the 120 pound regional winning bot a big enough of a trophy? Honestly, I'll keep a little medal for a commemorative thing, but if it gets too big it just gets in the way. Don't know, I just never cared for the ridiculously huge trophies that take two hands to carry.
I have to dis-agree, getting that big award after a big win is a really cool thing.

I mean just look at there faces.

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Re: pic: 2009 FRC Medals - New Design!

I'm not a huge fan of the smaller trophies, or the solid ribbon... but I like to think about it this way:

YOU STILL WON!

I know for the veteran teams that have a lot of wins behind them, the trophies look tiny, but for teams like mine that have never won anything official before- I'll take it no matter what size it is! I know my team accomplished something, and I'm proud to display whatever FIRST will give me to commemorate that.

I agree with a lot of posters that there are definitely better ways FIRST could have cut costs, and downsizing the trophies was not one of the best-looking options to us, the teams; but then again, none of us work at FIRST, right? We don't know what goes on there.

I think our best bet to voice this concern is to send that email Bill Miller suggested here, and actually have another suggestion to back it up. An email saying "OMG! THE TROPHIES SUCK THIS YEAR!" won't accomplish anything. A well-crafted reasoning, as well as your ideas and thoughts, might have a little more impact.
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Re: pic: 2009 FRC Medals - New Design!

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I have to dis-agree, getting that big award after a big win is a really cool thing.

I mean just look at there faces.


Yup, I'm all for big awards, hell make them even bigger.

The guy in the pic seems to agree, "It's pretty cool winning a division, but I wish the trophy was THIIIIS tall (motions with hands"
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Re: pic: 2009 FRC Medals - New Design!

the idea of giving one trophy status quo in size vs two smaller ones now, sounds like a great idea.
Maybe FIRST could offer additional ones at a lower price compared to what they cost now. We ordered extra trophies from last season to give to student members who won awards from their division on our team, as well as mentors, and certain sponsors. They are not cheap at all!
If my memory serves me correctly, the CA last year was $500 a piece.
(I'll edit this if I'm wrong). I know that the smaller awards were about $60 and division finalists were $115.
Any links to the cost? I dished out so much last year, we forget already.
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I have to dis-agree, getting that big award after a big win is a really cool thing.

I mean just look at there faces.
One should be excited, not for the scrap of metal(that's all it is regardless of shape or size). Not for the victory. They should be excited about the path to the victory. Sure, a winning season is more fun then a losing one. But in the end that trophy is little more then a paper weight.

Question: How much does one of these trophies costs? How many are there at each regional? Bottom line, how much is FIRST saving? If it's anything notable, I personally say it is worth it.
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Re: pic: 2009 FRC Medals - New Design!

Here's one thing most of FIRST is missing in my mind.


WHAT THE COMMUNITY THINKS.

If FIRST wants teams to change culture, at least make it easier for us.

Regardless of whether or not the GP-mongers like it, a BIG trophy makes it way easier for the team to get attention (if they use it well).

Period, you won't convince me otherwise.

If FIRST wants to save money, there are a bunch more things they can cut before the trophies.

The fact that a regional trophy is smaller than some of the trophies my brother and I got as kids playing league sports upsets me (I also sucked at most of those, so the teams weren't going real far).
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Re: pic: 2009 FRC Medals - New Design!

At least the Woodie Flowers trophy is still the coolest trophy that has ever existed.
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Re: pic: 2009 FRC Medals - New Design!

I just hope FIRSTdoesn't cheap out with the trophies at the Championship
in Atlanta. Okay so they downsized the regional ones... but there's only one Championship event each year and it should have the biggest, the brightest, and heaviest awards/trophies.

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Re: pic: 2009 FRC Medals - New Design!

I've been following this thread as it has grown. Here's a couple of thoughts:

a. if you are unhappy with the changes - make sure that the team member responsible for submitting the 2009 feedback form to FIRST - gets your feedback and submits it for 2010 considerations.

b. size has nothing to do with the standard of excellence that is being recognized in the award and symbolized in the trophy.
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b. size has nothing to do with the standard of excellence that is being recognized in the award and symbolized in the trophy.
Sure it does. Maybe not to those of us participating, because we know what we've done, but it sure matters to everyone not affiliated with the program (Schools, sponsors, etc).
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...it sure matters to everyone not affiliated with the program (Schools, sponsors, etc).
To put it simply, I don't care about them. If my sponsor is going to care about trophy size, maybe they shouldn't be sponsoring a robotics team. My experience is that the companies that care about petty things such as trophy size, generally are going to sponsor the football team anyway. Those that sponsor robotics care more about the students then the picture opportunities.
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