Anyone think that anyone will get near 1000pts @ Nat's

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Posted by Kevin at 03/27/2001 1:03 PM EST


Coach on team #308, Walled Lake Monsters, from Walled Lake Schools and TRW Automotive Electronics.


In Reply to: Re: Possible if the timers are travelling at .9c
Posted by Raul on 03/27/2001 8:59 AM EST:



We can consistently be across the bridge with a fully loaded goal in under 30 seconds.

Perhaps you haven't been watching the right matches.

: Hey Kevin,

: Regarding your comment that it take 30 seconds to fill a goal: Have you seen the video of the 710 match? (It is on our site below) We had 11 small balls in the goal in 19 seconds (1:41 on the clock)! We also had it across the bridge with 1:34 on the clock.

: Raul

: : While this strategy would works in theory, I seriously doubt it would ever work in competition, even given an alliance of robots that are perfect for pulling it off. Let me reiterate. It takes atleast 30 seconds to fill a goal with small balls. I've watched enough matches to know that this time barrier can't really be broken.

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Posted by Alan Federman at 03/26/2001 4:09 PM EST


Engineer on team #255, Odyssey, from Foothill HS, San Jose and NASA.


In Reply to: Not even 800 (w/o 10% bonus)
Posted by Kevin Sevcik on 03/26/2001 12:12 PM EST:



I have to agree with Joel - really hard to get over 610 or 620. Very few teams can balance two goals from off the bridge and get in the endzone. I think somone could design a robot that could pull the stretcher and
score a ball but doing this in 45 seconds?? Not likely. I have been examining scenarios of how one or two robots together could handle the stretcher and make across quickly enough to allow big ball scoring.
(This to allow a 2 goal stay on the bridge robot alliance to beat 700.) 60 points in under 30? I just can't see 2 big balls 2 goals balanced 4 robots in the endzone in under 30.

I think a team that can score 600 everytime is more likely than a team that scores 700 once in a while.

The other factor to consider is practice - the scores go up as the teams get more.

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Posted by Jake at 03/27/2001 3:27 PM EST


Student on team #365, Miracle Workerz, from Avon Grove High School and DuPont Engineering.


In Reply to: Re: Not even 800 (w/o 10% bonus)
Posted by Alan Federman on 03/26/2001 4:09 PM EST:



It sounds to me that some of you believe that a robot on the strecher cannot do anything. On the contrary! A robot on the strecher cannot move itself around the floor, but it can do anything else it wishes. And moving the strecher isn't that big of a deal, especially for Li'l MOE, who can move it around like a rag doll with a 130lb robot on it. If there was a big ball 'bot on the strecher, and was pulled into the end zone behind the far goal, the 'bot on the strecher could lift a big ball off the floor and score it in the far-end goal. I have run some numbers on some senarios that would do this, and this is what I have come up with:

Senario 1-
Robots required:
A. Over/Under the bar, w/ big ball capability
B. Over the bridge, w/ strecher
C. Over/Under the bridge, w/ big ball capability
D. Off the bridge ballancer

Tasks:
(Robot A) runs under bar and awaits Robot B to cross with Robot C on strecher. Resets the bridge either by driving over, or with an arm. Once bridge is back down, readies a bid ball to be scored when Robot D aligns the 2 goals for ballancing.

(Robot B) Latches onto strecher and pulls it over to end zone, leaves strecher and Robot C behind the far goal. Once Robot C scores the big ball, Robot B moves the goal to the side so Robot D can get into position to balance both goals.

(Robot C) Starts on strecher, scores big ball once in position.

(Robot D) Latches onto close goal, brings to alliance station to fill 10 small balls. Moves to far side with full goal, pushes the aligned goals onto the bridge for balance.


Score (w/o 10% for big balls)
1) Time remaining on clock: 1:01
Robots in end zone: 4
Small Balls: 11
Big Balls: 2
Strecher: 1

Score 1) 810 points

2) Time remaining on clock: 31 seconds
Robots in end zone: 4
Small Balls: 11
Big Balls: 2
Strecher: 1

Score 2) 648 points

What do these numbers say? It says that if you can pull everything off within 59 seconds, it is an impressive score, but if not, there are easier ways of getting 648 points.

~ Captain Jake
The Miracle Workerz
Team 365
Go Li'l MOE!

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Posted by Karl at 03/26/2001 12:51 PM EST


Student on team #442, Knight Riders, from Lee High and NASA Marshall SpaceFlight Center.


In Reply to: Anyone think that anyone will get near 1000pts @ Nat's
Posted by Joel G on 03/26/2001 11:34 AM EST:



We here on team #442 plan on scoring 1716 in the seed matches and 1560 in the qualifiers and finals.

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Posted by Joel G at 03/26/2001 2:04 PM EST


Student on team #442, Knight Riders, from Lee High School and NASA/ BOEING/ MEVATEC.


In Reply to: Yes
Posted by Karl on 03/26/2001 12:51 PM EST:



: We here on team #442 plan on scoring 1716 in the seed matches and 1560 in the qualifiers and finals.
Karl, I think you've been drinking something(lol)
but were on the same team and I hope we can at least pull off a 600 pt. match before we leave Orlando.

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Posted by Kevin Sevcik at 03/26/2001 2:04 PM EST


Other on team #57, Leopards, from BT Washington and the High School for Engineering Professions and Exxon, Kellog Brown & Root, Powell Electrical.


In Reply to: Yes
Posted by Karl on 03/26/2001 12:51 PM EST:



Anybody remember those pit announcements from a couple of years back? I know it's a bad joke, but still. Also, shouldn't this particular post be in the Rumor Mill?

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Posted by Karl at 03/26/2001 3:46 PM EST


Student on team #442, Knight Riders, from Lee High and NASA Marshall SpaceFlight Center.


In Reply to: Team 442 needs Dilithium Crystals to fix its bot....
Posted by Kevin Sevcik on 03/26/2001 2:04 PM EST:



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Posted by Al Skierkiewicz at 03/26/2001 6:56 PM EST


Engineer on team #111, Wildstang, from Wheeling High & Rolling Meadows High and Motorola.


In Reply to: Anyone think that anyone will get near 1000pts @ Nat's
Posted by Joel G on 03/26/2001 11:34 AM EST:



Answer to an old joke..."How do you get to Carnegie Hall?...Practice, practice,practice!"
We all have seen teams accomplish tasks in under 60 seconds so you know that is possible. With a 10x multiplier even a small ball takes on significance. If Beatty/Team Hammond #71, Motorola/Wildstang #111, Motorola/Gear Grinders #112, NASA/Rolls Royce/Cyber Blue #234, Oconomowoc OHS FIRST #269 had lost just 1 second each in performing their tasks, the score would have been 568 instead of 710. If each robot had stumbled going over the bridge and lost just 9 seconds each the score would have been 568. The difference between a very respectable high score (a 568 average would place any team in a seeding position) and a national record is just 5 seconds, about the time it takes to get 4 individuals to push 4 red buttons to stop the clock. All the robots at Midwest Regional were great (including the rookies) so a lot of the credit has to go to the drivers and human players and the strategy teams leading them on the field.
See you all next week,
Al