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Re: Discrepancy at Chesapeake, Israel, Waterloo?
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On another note do these stats include eliminations? If so then the data won't be accurate because in eliminations the higher seed is in red and in theory more likely to win. |
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Re: Discrepancy at Chesapeake, Israel, Waterloo?
That is not accurate, because the new scoring software cannot swap alliances. We were denied our request to stay on red alliance despite being the higher seed.
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Re: Discrepancy at Chesapeake, Israel, Waterloo?
It is close enough. The only time it isn't true is if an alliance beats a higher seed alliance. Either way most of the time in the eliminations the red alliance has a higher chance of winning which then would make these stats inaccurate if eliminations are included.
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Not at Waterloo the blue team beat the red team in the quarters #4 and in the semi's #2. |
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Re: Discrepancy at Chesapeake, Israel, Waterloo?
Despite dead blue robots, This trend seems to pop up every once in a while. "The Red alliance wins more, bla bla bla, not fair, bla".
I saw an article a while back saying in a lot of 1v1 Olympic sports, red was more likely to win, but by the same small amount shown here. I chalk it up to random chance, as at every regional I've seen the amount of No-shows is far more than the amount of dead robots, so I can't imagine the dead robots making a huge difference overall. |
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Last edited by Kingofl337 : 24-03-2009 at 18:22. |
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I suggest that a better way to have phrased this would be "Not when non-functional robots are placed on the field 6-7 times." At each of the four regionals I've worked at this year, the number one problem on the field has been teams forgetting to plug the Ethernet cable back into port 1 of their cRIO. Throughout practice and early qualification matches we've given teams the chance to correct their error, and given them warnings that we would not continue to let them hold up everyone else if they continue to make this mistake. By Friday afternoon the Head Refs have usually taken the position that if everything else on the field is ready to go and a robot fails to link up because of this error, we would disable the robot and go. I just cannot fathom how a team, who has put in countless hours and effort to get this far, does not take a checklist with them to queuing and spend the 30 seconds it would take to make sure the Ethernet cable is plugged in correctly, the battery is charged, etc. One of the things FIRST does a pretty good job of teaching is responsibility. Once they sit idle for a match we rarely see a team forget to plug their cRIO in twice. I call that a success. [/bias] |
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I don't think that anyone is getting "punished" for anything. If anything, I think it makes it more fair to the teams who are more prepared, and that do make pre-match checklists. If a team forgets to plug their radio in it's unfortunate for everyone on the alliance but no one's fault but the team themselves. If you as a team member want your robot to successfully run every match then why not take the initiative to do double checks on your radio cables, batteries, and all other connections. Similarly as an alliance member, why not remind your partners in the queuing line to check their connections as you check your own. You wouldn't expect the field crew to make sure all your drive motors are connected and check to make sure your battery is fully charged before each match so why should they be the ones responsible for making sure your radios are connected properly? |
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In short, I agree with the FTA's, the teams shouldn't blame everything on the field....it's really not their fault. But I also think that the FTA's should provide feedback to the teams on what went wrong so they do not make that mistake again (thank you Liz ). |
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Re: Discrepancy at Chesapeake, Israel, Waterloo?
One other theory:
At Philadelphia, there were four referees, each with varying levels of experience. With six payload specialists, plus alliance stations and robots to watch, it takes a lot of skill not to miss anything. Where particular referees are positioned on the field can definitely make a difference when it comes to the amount of penalties spotted. |
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Re: Discrepancy at Chesapeake, Israel, Waterloo?
I can't believe some of this conversation. Are we here to make the competitions run more efficiently or are we here for the high school students and make sure they have as enjoyable time as possible?
Everyone should be answering we are here for the students. How every goes about that is different but I feel we should be out there doing our best to let every one compete. Not to punish three teams for a couple of peoples mistakes. Yes we are trying to teach real world lessons but we are also trying to teach everyone that engineering is fun. Which is more important learning real world experiences or being drawn into engineering? |
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Re: Discrepancy at Chesapeake, Israel, Waterloo?
...and looking at it another way.... the field is run by volunteers doing their very best with what they are provided. Is it fair to speculate about what they did and didn't do, what they should and should not have done, what did and didn't happen, what was and was not said, when you were not there on the field looking at the robots, discussing the issues and monitoring the FMS? There is a lot of misinformation in this entire thread. It is much different watching the occasional match from the driver's station or watching all the matches from the stands, than it is when you are on the field for every match.
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As far as there being field issues I wasn't paying attention to which spots had these problems and don't necessarily agree with what some people are saying here. My only issue is with how teams were being disabled before the match even started. |
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Re: Discrepancy at Chesapeake, Israel, Waterloo?
I dont know if this is just a thing thats in our head, or an actual problem.
We won every match on blue and lost every match on red, and our partners Wildstang said that they had a similair scenario. Also, 2 matches in a row during the quals our partner robot in the center position were having issues with their coms during the match and were sitting ducks. (both were on red alliance) edit: It was the Boilermaker regional |
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