Question: Championship Divisions

[Lil' Lavery]

Originally Posted by Jon Jack

If I remember correctly, the last few years have been A,B,C,D,A,B...

However TBA has it set up, it's still pretty far from being settled. There are still 12 teams from the MSC that have yet to receive invites, as well as 12 teams from the two MN regionals this weekend. I imagine there are also several teams that will get their payment in at the last minute and be added to the list.

It was ABCD in 2008, but not in 2007. 2007 used a different formula.
http://www.thebluealliance.net/cd/divisionparse.php

[waialua359]

Too bad there are more regionals.
Having 25, 368, 987, and 1983 in the same division would be AWESOME!!!

[Peter Matteson]

I like the normal algorithem. It puts us in Curie for a shot at completing the set...

[The Lucas]

Originally Posted by thefro526

I think they alternate. Some years Serpentine is used and some years the normal one is used. As to what one will be used, your guess is as good mine.

Originally Posted by Lil' Lavery

It was ABCD in 2008, but not in 2007. 2007 used a different formula.
http://www.thebluealliance.net/cd/divisionparse.php

They have never used serpentine for all of the teams. However some say that odd pattern in 2007 was inspired by serpentine pattern.

I am now wondering how many teams will be at CMP this year. There are currently 320 teams registered and 30 more can qualify tomorrow. Hopefully the field will run smoothly for all these matches

[chanj]

I thought what happened was that they had posted out the list, but as more teams joined, they just threw them on to the back of the divisions.

[Cory]

Originally Posted by chanj

I thought what happened was that they had posted out the list, but as more teams joined, they just threw them on to the back of the divisions.

Nope. To the best of my knowledge it's never happened that way before.

[Aren_Hill]

Originally Posted by Josh Goodman

I'm glad that before even the regionals end.....1114, 217 and 148 are in the same division

i'm gonna put it out there that that alliance will not happen this year at champs, none of those 3 are falling to a 3rd bot

[Josh Goodman]

Originally Posted by Aren_Hill

i'm gonna put it out there that that alliance will not happen this year at champs, none of those 3 are falling to a 3rd bot

Oh yeah....I'd be willing to bet that too. But you never know

[The Lucas]

Originally Posted by chanj

I thought what happened was that they had posted out the list, but as more teams joined, they just threw them on to the back of the divisions.

They do that for a very limited number of teams (like 348 and 1771 last year) that join after the list is out. The list in 2007 was very different (out of order) when it was first posted.

[Greg Peshek]

When's the latest time for the teams who just qualified to register? Do they have to do it at the event, or is there a certain window?

If they have to do it at the event, does that mean the list on TBA is pretty accurate? Assuming FIRST uses that algorithm of course.

[EricH]

Originally Posted by Greg Peshek

When's the latest time for the teams who just qualified to register? Do they have to do it at the event, or is there a certain window?

Typically, Tuesday after the event. There's some leeway so they can verify they have/can raise the funding.

[Akash Rastogi]

Hehe, i just killed myself looking at Curie after updating. Btw 67 needs its own color code!

[waialua359]

Wow, look at Curie so far. Would hate to be in that division. When was the last time, Curie was stacked compared to the others?

Archimedes looks pretty good.

[jmanela]

Originally Posted by The Lucas

No, they rerun the rankings after the State Championship (multiplying by State Champ points by 4 to give it a 2/3 weight). If one of the teams that earns a qualifying spot for Champions is already registered or can't attend, they offer it to the next team in the ranking (making 18 guaranteed new spots). I am pretty sure this is how it works but I can't confirm because I can't access the Michigan Rules Supplement today (for some reason I get a 403 forbidden error).

I'm not complaining, the more qualified Michigan teams at Championship the better for the level of competition. A high number of points after 2 (3) District Events and State Championship is good enough credentials to me, better than wining some regionals. Even with those 18 teams, there were more a few MI teams at championships last year. I truly want the best level of competition at championship which is why it is a shame when good teams can't qualify (like 40, 330, 968, 1153, 1279, 1391, 2068, 2199 off the top of my head). Unfortunately, the Michigan point system cant be easily ported to regionals for a variety of reasons, and obviously we can't just subjectively pick team that are good but didnt win a regional.

None of that was really my point. I was just saying that those 18 teams MI teams (with their variety of numbers) make it difficult to predict divisions early, which is not actually important. MN teams tend to have high numbers (amazing growth in that area) so they will not shift divisions that much and some of the teams are registered already (like 79, 93) that cant pass off their qualification (goes to waitlist). There are 310 teams registered now and with 30 more qualifiers (18 MI + 12 MN) we can get up to 340 teams like last year without waitlist teams. If some wanted to, they could make some good predictions Sat night if there are no waitlist spots (no preregisters MN teams qualify) and they went through the FiM rankings to find who would be invited.

I can confirm that because that is how it was a the Michigan State Championship yesterday.

[EricH]

Originally Posted by waialua359

Wow, look at Curie so far. Would hate to be in that division. When was the last time, Curie was stacked compared to the others?

2007. That year, there were a lot of good robots and a "lenient" ref when it came to defense, with the expected results.