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Re: Digital Sidecar Ports are dropping out.

CabbageKid2,

That sounds very much like one of the standard Jaguar Failure modes. Are you running a Jaguar on that PWM, and have you tried replacing it as part of the troubleshoooting?

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Re: Digital Sidecar Ports are dropping out.

I don't remember any problems with PWM signals, but we did lose the GPIO on one of our sidecars. We only needed one sidecar so we were OK for our regional. I'd still like to know what happened.
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Re: Digital Sidecar Ports are dropping out.

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That sounds very much like one of the standard Jaguar Failure modes. Are you running a Jaguar on that PWM, and have you tried replacing it as part of the troubleshoooting?
Hi Tom,

We don't believe it's the speed controller because once we changed the PWM port that it's plugged into it worked fine again. So once it worked, there was no need to change the speed controller.

But anything that was plugged into the bad PWM output only worked in one direction.
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Re: Digital Sidecar Ports are dropping out.

We too had a DSC lose PWM signal on outputs 9 and 10, and the remaining PWMs continued to function fine. We noticed that the separate small buffer chip that drives PWM outputs 9 and 10 become EXTREMELY hot during operation.

We suspect that the failure may have been caused by an ESD event when disconnecting a PWM connector from a Victor.
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Re: Digital Sidecar Ports are dropping out.

We have a DSC with PWM port 4 inoperative. Being busy we did not stop to diagnose it (other than to confirm it is dead), we purchased another, intending to return the first one to (somwehere) for repair.

Eric, I can arrange for it to be in Atlanta if you are interested.
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Re: Digital Sidecar Ports are dropping out.

we had a limit switch stop working and finally figured out that switching ports on the DSC fixed it.
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Re: Digital Sidecar Ports are dropping out.

We had a problem were all our DIO's stopped working. We swapped out our DSC and they worked. We then bought a new DSC to make sure we had a backup for competition and opened up the DSC that broke and found a ton of metal shavings in it. We emptied it out and it worked fine. We now use that DSC for our testing CRIO.
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Re: Digital Sidecar Ports are dropping out.

Don't overlook the multipin connector coming loose on the Sidecar. It may appear to be engaged but may only be touching a few contacts and show intermittent during match play while showing fine during tether in the pit.
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Re: Digital Sidecar Ports are dropping out.

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We have a DSC with PWM port 4 inoperative. Being busy we did not stop to diagnose it (other than to confirm it is dead), we purchased another, intending to return the first one to (somwehere) for repair.

Eric, I can arrange for it to be in Atlanta if you are interested.
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That would be great, Thank You.

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Re: Digital Sidecar Ports are dropping out.

Eric - check your PM's. I sent you my contact info - where should I send the part?
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Re: Digital Sidecar Ports are dropping out.

Interesting, we think we had a similar problem during our practice rounds where the motor would only run in one direction. As a rookie team we just used one DSC running two Jags controlling CIMs and two servos. We thought we had a terminal crimp problem, but after redoing 5-6 terminals we still had the problem. We were about to change out the DSC when I noticed a 1/4 inch metal shaving tangled in a pin area. Once we removed the shaving the motors worked. Makes me thing that we should mount the boards upside down to prevent the metal shavings falling into the components. I guess then all we have to worry is the connectors from falling out. I had seen a few teams mount their electronics vertically. Just a thought for next year.
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Re: Digital Sidecar Ports are dropping out.

We had a DS die on us, +5v led on, no VBATT led, no 6V led on.. (odd combination as VBATT is 12v and that's what drives the +5v and +6v switchers)

Opened up the unit and Q1, the reverse voltage FET was blown.. Well its was in many pieces... Removed it, the +6v switcher was again working and the VBATT led was back on... Ordered an new FET from Digikey and all is well...

Whats odd here is this unit was in our TEST robot, and the hardware configuration had not change in weeks, remove the bad unit, replaced it with a new unit and we were back in business... do not understand the root cause of the failure... it might just be a bad part!!

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Re: Digital Sidecar Ports are dropping out.

we had the relay ports on our first digital sidecard not work at then at our regional we had on of the digit inpputs go bad on our second digital sidecard.
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Re: Digital Sidecar Ports are dropping out.

Team 1836 also had a problem with the DSC.

During a quick test between matches it suddenly stopped working (or at least, it was still getting power and the lights were on but the four victors we had plugged into it stopped responding). We determined that it was the probably the DSC and received a temporary replacement, and used that for the remainder of the event. We had to give it back of course so now we'll have to do that again in Atlanta...

Sorry I don't have any more details, as we were pressed for time...Is there any way somebody could help us out in obtaining a permanent replacement or fixing it, if it can be fixed? We'd like to have one to use during the off-season...
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