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Re: Divisions posted

Anyone else think that ALL of the divisions are stacked this year? Atlanta is going to be pretty crazy, I think. We'll be watching the webcasts intensely this year.
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Re: Divisions posted

how were the divisions chosen this year ?
it seemed so random
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Re: Divisions posted

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Anyone else think that ALL of the divisions are stacked this year? Atlanta is going to be pretty crazy, I think. We'll be watching the webcasts intensely this year.
I completely agree! I'm sad I can't go, but you bet I'll spend three entire days glued to the webcasts with my friends, while other people wonder what is wrong with us.
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Anyone else think that ALL of the divisions are stacked this year? Atlanta is going to be pretty crazy, I think. We'll be watching the webcasts intensely this year.
I think so, whatever method they used for sorting teams looks pretty random and pretty level.
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Re: Divisions posted

You know your division is stacked when every time you look at it, you recognize another powerhouse team you didn't notice before. Yeesh, Galileo here we come
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Re: Divisions posted

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I think so, whatever method they used for sorting teams looks pretty random and pretty level.
http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?k...Ogz4x5Yw&gid=1 is a graph of Teams v Division (Divisions correspond to Archimedes = 1 and proceed alphabetically) I can give anyone access to the google doc used to create this graph or you can copy it and create your own in about the same amount of time anyway.

I cannot see any pattern that jumps out. The possibility of doing a completely random distribution would seem foolish because it could mean that all the low teams end up in one division and the higher teams end up in another. Does this mean FIRST wouldnt do it? Heavens no.

I will continue to look at some numbers, I have a few hunches but I am betting they are fruitless.

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Re: Divisions posted

The order doesn't seem to have anything obvious to do with team number, location, team name, or order of registration (yes, I checked by looking at the divisions of the last few teams that were added to the list this morning and yesterday ).

So it's either random, or generated by some suitably complex but deterministic function from whose obfuscated nature Dave is undoubtedly gleaning pleasure.

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Re: Divisions posted

Tough divisions. A lot of good teams, tons of strategies...

Should be an amazing competition. Don't count any team out though...we all know how easy it is to get into trouble with this game.
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The order doesn't seem to have anything obvious to do with team number, location, team name, or order of registration (yes, I checked by looking at the divisions of the last few teams that were added to the list this morning and yesterday ).

So it's either random, or generated by some suitably complex but deterministic function from whose obfuscated nature Dave is undoubtedly gleaning pleasure.
It must be a game hint!
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Re: Divisions posted

It almost seems as if they just randomized the list and went ran the Serpentine algorithm on the random list, or something of that nature. I don't see any readily noticable pattern emerging from this.
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Re: Divisions posted

Are any regional winners in same division or did they break them up?
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Are any regional winners in same division or did they break them up?
According to this post, the Pittsburgh winners are together (222, 1218, 1743) in Archimedes.
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Divisions are up on TBA. 87 teams per division. Team sig banners will regenerate within 24 hours.
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Divisions are up on TBA. 87 teams per division. Team sig banners will regenerate within 24 hours.
If it's not too much trouble, could TBA display the number of wins for each division like it did for the predictions. That would be awesome.
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Re: Divisions posted

For what it's worth, the distribution of team numbers looks like FIRST made an effort to spread them out pretty fairly:

Archimedes Curie Galileo Newton
Median team number 1302 1108 1124 1138
Mean team number 1341 1267 1192 1229
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