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Re: Galileo 2009
Similar to what I did last year, I ran through 200 simulated qualification match schedules (all 102 matches, using the FIRST match generator). I used each team's average opr for their contribution to a match. I calculated the standings for each of the 200 simulated qualification schedules, and then looked at some statistics from the aggregate results.
When I went back and looked at last year's data, a team finished within 1 standard deviation of their average seed 60% of the time, and within 2 standard deviations 95% of the time. Only 3 teams seeded higher/lower then their min/max seed. Code:
Team Avg Seed Median Mode StDev Min Max #1 seed Top 8 67 6.0 4 1 5.7 1 28 42 153 71 7.5 4 1 8.3 1 50 46 138 1195 13.6 11 5 10.9 1 63 11 83 971 14.0 11 2 12.2 1 63 8 82 40 14.8 12 4 11.6 1 52 8 75 716 15.7 13 13 12.4 1 68 10 64 1717 15.9 12.5 9 12.9 1 74 6 70 111 17.6 13 3 14.2 1 61 8 67 207 17.7 14.5 4 14.4 1 80 8 61 987 18.9 15 10 13.7 1 63 7 55 45 19.6 16 11 15.4 1 70 5 57 25 20.4 17 13 14.0 1 66 2 43 1923 21.4 19 4 15.0 1 63 6 52 179 21.8 19 18 15.1 1 78 2 42 704 21.9 19 15 14.6 1 75 3 36 870 22.9 18.5 8 16.1 1 77 3 39 744 23.2 19 16 15.8 1 76 4 41 151 25.7 23 32 16.2 1 85 1 28 1318 25.8 21.5 14 16.5 1 81 2 22 2741 25.8 22 17 16.5 1 73 4 28 1332 27.0 25 10 16.7 1 76 4 30 2348 27.6 27.5 16 16.5 2 76 0 27 1742 28.7 26.5 31 18.3 1 79 1 30 56 29.3 28 14 18.1 1 79 1 24 115 29.7 28 12 16.0 2 68 0 17 2775 31.1 29.5 29 16.1 2 76 0 15 20 31.5 30 44 18.4 1 84 2 23 1208 32.0 29.5 22 18.3 2 84 0 16 1250 32.7 31 26 19.7 1 80 1 22 1477 33.1 31 36 19.1 3 86 0 19 973 35.4 32 14 19.8 2 85 0 13 47 38.6 37 46 18.1 5 82 0 5 708 38.7 36 34 20.1 1 81 1 12 2844 39.1 38.5 39 18.4 3 80 0 9 1745 39.3 37 36 18.4 4 85 0 9 418 39.9 40 27 18.8 1 81 1 6 359 41.0 40.5 45 18.6 2 82 0 6 1941 41.9 40 24 19.8 4 85 0 6 435 42.2 41.5 52 18.9 2 82 0 9 2729 42.4 42.5 34 19.3 3 87 0 2 226 42.5 44 48 18.3 6 85 0 4 555 43.4 44 65 20.2 1 86 1 8 1261 46.1 46 68 19.9 7 85 0 1 2936 46.3 47.5 53 19.1 2 87 0 5 1902 46.6 46 34 19.7 3 87 0 4 2230 47.4 49.5 50 18.4 8 86 0 1 281 48.6 51 69 19.6 4 87 0 3 494 49.1 51.5 70 20.0 1 84 1 5 279 49.4 51 50 19.1 6 87 0 3 1872 49.5 52 57 19.0 6 87 0 3 2214 50.2 51 53 18.2 1 86 1 1 967 50.3 50.5 68 19.5 2 87 0 2 1124 51.2 52 57 17.7 3 86 0 4 1676 51.3 52.5 58 18.8 2 86 0 3 11 51.6 53.5 53 19.0 5 87 0 1 1540 53.0 54 43 17.9 4 87 0 3 65 53.0 55 54 18.3 6 86 0 3 168 53.8 55.5 52 19.6 6 87 0 1 3059 54.2 55 37 18.3 5 87 0 1 815 54.8 55 52 18.1 7 85 0 1 2638 55.9 56 54 19.3 6 87 0 1 303 56.0 57 57 18.0 8 86 0 2 1829 56.4 58 62 18.3 11 87 0 0 1551 56.6 59 69 17.4 8 87 0 1 932 57.5 59 72 18.3 11 87 0 0 1270 57.7 59 78 17.9 9 86 0 0 230 57.7 63 67 19.2 9 87 0 0 1662 59.1 62 73 18.3 7 87 0 1 461 60.0 64 78 19.1 8 87 0 1 2642 61.4 62 81 17.1 6 87 0 1 999 61.8 65 79 16.7 9 87 0 0 1646 62.3 66 66 17.3 11 87 0 0 1598 63.2 66.5 83 16.4 19 87 0 0 440 64.2 69 81 16.7 15 87 0 0 2910 65.0 71 82 16.7 19 86 0 0 1710 67.7 72 86 15.7 9 87 0 0 1601 69.5 73.5 81 14.8 12 87 0 0 1450 70.2 74 85 14.4 18 87 0 0 753 70.2 74 83 14.1 11 87 0 0 2579 70.6 75 81 14.8 12 87 0 0 2234 70.9 75 86 14.5 20 87 0 0 1772 71.9 75.5 85 13.8 11 87 0 0 1836 72.1 75 83 13.6 22 87 0 0 1058 72.5 76 84 13.6 10 87 0 0 1885 76.4 79 87 10.8 23 87 0 0 2550 77.8 82 87 10.4 40 87 0 0 203 80.2 84 87 8.2 44 87 0 0 |
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Re: Galileo 2009
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1270 is hoping to turn a few heads. We have been working very hard on everything we could, we got the bot working at the end of the Buckeye so our averages are way down from where we are hoping to be. This is a stacked division this year, I haven't been on Galileo since 2003.......... Good luck to everyone!! I know I'm looking forward for some intense matches. Team 1270 Red Dragons Shooter 0-10' range Shooter pivots 45 degrees left and right 90 degrees total Hold 15-18 Orbit balls We have been working on a scoring autonomous mode |
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Joe, would you be so kind as to do this for Curie also? And I'm sure the other divisions wouldn't mind. |
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Re: Galileo 2009
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#95
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Re: Galileo 2009
(Re 1->81) So basically, we could be anywhere. Looking forward to it!
Short description: IRS Team 1318 Power Dumper, serpentine ball path OR 7-0-0 in Quals, 1st Seed, Champions WA 8th Overall Selection - Semifinalist, 13th seed We scored in autonomous at least 3 times, and have lined up enough to score in the first 5 seconds at least 3 other times. Please describe your robot. -LEO |
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#96
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Re: Galileo 2009
It has already been said but wow this is going to be an amazing field! Can't wait! To be honest I think this division is so deep with quality that making predictions of elimination outcomes is just going to go out the window. I suspect epic matches, and predict amazing plays.
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#97
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Re: Galileo 2009
With so many good teams playing during qualifications, you guys think that this year especially, that there's a chance for a mediocre robot who got paired up with great partners each match to be ranked #1? I don't know if its happened before at the Championship, I know it happens at regionals, but how bout at the big show?
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#98
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#99
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Re: Galileo 2009
Naa, top 8 is understandable, but has a team gotten lucky with alliance partners and gotten to 1st seed at Champs?
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#100
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Re: Galileo 2009
It has happened before. I know some will say 1732 in 2007 that got lucky and seeded #1 on Curie. One would be crazy to say we were on the same level of 1114 and 330, but I feel we were one of the better tube scorers and with only seven qualfication matches and an easier schedule, a lot can happen. I'm not sure its a good idea to call out various teams and say their achievements were lucky, though. But yeah, it has happened before a couple of times.
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#101
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Re: Galileo 2009
Our robot:
Team RICE 870 Power Dumper, conveyor belt to hopper Holds 12 balls comfortably, 16 or so max Us and 102 were by far the best robots at Long Island, and we seeded 1 and 3 accordingly, losing in semi finals together to unfortunate circumstances It's cool to see us (fairly) far up in that rankings sheet! It'd be awesome just to make eliminations. |
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#102
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Re: Galileo 2009
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I must say, I am not opposed to these predictions ![]() |
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#103
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Re: Galileo 2009
To quote Han Solo in Empire Strikes Back: "Never tell me the odds!" But thanks Joe this is a very interesting analysis.
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#104
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Re: Galileo 2009
This year's game is even more prone to a mediocre average definitely creeping up there. And the problem with that is, that the mediocre team generally either
1. messes up the alliances that the other lower seeds might possibly because generally other seeded teams don't want to team up with this seed. 2. or picks a really strong team but the other alliances are stronger and they definitely don't make it to finals, which ultimately kinda dooms the other strong robot that had a chance. I saw it happen at regionals, but worlds is a class above regionals and I'm not sure if this is very likely at worlds. Teams bring their best and most times the good robots do end up on top. |
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#105
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Re: Galileo 2009
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On another note, the Galileo thread has the most posts in it out of the four divisions- is this a sign that it will be the most spirited field at the Championship? |
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