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Predictions Championship 2009: Einstein

Three-hundred-and-forty-nine teams will compete to reach here, but only twelve will realize their goal. Einstein is the most prestigious, watched, and storied field in all of FIRST. The drama, intensity, atmosphere, and stakes are higher there than anywhere else.
Even more than other years, a weak third team is a massive detriment. A bad team is often a death sentence, so don't expect anyone to be carried to Einstein. No single strategy is a trump card, so expect each alliance to play their own brand on Lunacy on Einstein, especially given that each division will be slightly different.
With the depth of scoring machines here, direct defense, and more specifically pinning, will not as effective as during the regional season. Pinning teams are easy targets for scoring by human players and the other two opponents, and the top level teams are often capable of breaking free for long enough to score once or twice anyway (which in the case of many of these teams is enough to make a large difference). Defense will be present, but it will be more effective in terms of chips, screens, ball management, and smart driving.
All twelve teams on Einstein will be capable of scoring moon rocks and reloading from the ground. At least ten will attempt to do more in autonomous than just drive forward/spin (such as attempting to pin, load, move empty cells, or even score). The first few matches will be sloppy, due to brand new regolith, lighting conditions, and even just the added pressure. Super cells will be scored in at least two out of three matches, and all four alliances will move at least one empty cell.
As for the actual teams, the odds of predicting them are astronomically low. It is a bit absurd to think that someone could accurate predict 50% of the teams or an entire alliance. It just doesn't happen.

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The Patriotics' consistency and autonomous scoring will help them seed very high, in the 3-5 range. 1114 will be gone by the time they pick, so 2056 will go for 1538 in the first round and 176 in the second. Victory won't be easy, but they'll prevail based on smart strategy and a multi-headed assault.
2056/1538/176

CURIE:
The Thunderchickens will stay hot, and they'll do exactly what they've been doing all year, win. 217 will seed 1st or 2nd, but a lot could chance on which of those places they seed. 217 will select 254 at the top, and will pick up Da Bears towards the end. There is enough other good teams to make the road a bit rocky, but this alliance will be clearly the best and advance to Einstein.
217/254/247

GALILEO:
The big teams will be broken up in a heated series of qualification matches, with some very good, but not elite, teams seeding 1st and 2nd. With 71 and 1717 off the board, 3rd seeded 45 will select HOT. The Technokats will then add 1208 in the second round. Clutch play will help them prevail in close semi-final matches and they might goto three in the finals as well. But they will win.
45/67/1208

NEWTON:
Despite 148 captaining the alliance from the 5th or 6th seed (after an earlier decline), and a very capable 234 backing them up, 469 will be the reason this alliance wins Newton. The most "defensive" team on Einstein will help shut down 121 and 1625 en route to the big show, and some major scoring and ball control by 234 and 148 will certainly help too.
148/234/469

EINSTEIN:
AvC and GvN in the Semis.

217/254/247 will top 2056/1538/176 in two matches, but neither will be by more than 20 points.
45/67/1208 overcome 148/234/469 in three matches.

45/67/1208 defeats 217/254/247 in three matches, one of which is decided by a super cell.

The Technokats and HOT each earn their second Championship, while the Poofs are once again the bridesmaid.

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Re: Predictions Championship 2009: Einstein

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NEWTON:
Despite 148 captaining the alliance from the 5th or 6th seed (after an earlier decline), and a very capable 234 backing them up, 469 will be the reason this alliance wins Newton. The most "defensive" team on Einstein will help shut down 121 and 1625 en route to the big show, and some major scoring and ball control by 234 and 148 will certainly help too.
148/234/469

CURSE YOU, LF!!!! Haha, just kidding. We'll have to take your words into consideration:

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With pleasure (come on guys.... *crosses fingers*)

ps: I give you all, whoever you may be, extreme credit for even attempting to predict the outcome of one of the games most reliant on scheduling of matches (alliances make all the difference).
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Re: Predictions Championship 2009: Einstein

Hey, come on, LF, you got at least 5/12 of the teams right last year... Give yourself a little credit now and again!
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I would LOVE to see 67 and 45 take the Championship title together.

I'd also like to see 1625 and 121 take the Newton title.
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Re: Predictions Championship 2009: Einstein

Wish i could have gone to Atlanta to see it all unfold
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There's always the webcast. The best time of my life so far was watching 2008 Atlanta webcast.


As always I like the predictions. I'm a little surprised not to see 1625 on Einstein, but then again the teams that are would be very deserving.

It seems like every years champioships are more epic than the last year's, can't wait to watch it and see how the predictions play out.
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Re: Predictions Championship 2009: Einstein

I know some people who will be very happy if you are right. (Of course, I also know plenty of people who would love their teams to be the predicted ones for Einstein.) I can't wait to watch the big day and see what happens. (:
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Re: Predictions Championship 2009: Einstein

While it seems like some powerful teams are definitely taking home the gold, I feel that this year, we'll see a shock and it'll be teams that aren't THAT strong. In multiple regionals, the best seed hasn't necessarily won and I think that Einstien will be the same case.
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Einstein is the most prestigious, watched, and storied field in all of FIRST. The drama, intensity, atmosphere, and stakes are higher there than anywhere else.
I respectfully disagree.
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IRI is big, but not as big as Einstien. My opinion. .
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As for the actual teams, the odds of predicting them are astronomically low. It is a bit absurd to think that someone could accurate predict 50% of the teams or an entire alliance. It just doesn't happen.
Hey, id say you did a pretty good job at that last year (:
3/12 is pretty good for "astronomically low"
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Hey, id say you did a pretty good job at that last year (:
3/12 is pretty good for "astronomically low"
He guessed our original plan, which was to ally with 987... seed 2 prevented that, though. (:
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As for the actual teams, the odds of predicting them are astronomically low. It is a bit absurd to think that someone could accurate predict 50% of the teams or an entire alliance. It just doesn't happen.
I may be missing something but I think LF is exercising some well-earned bragging rights.

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Hey, id say you did a pretty good job at that last year (:
3/12 is pretty good for "astronomically low"
By my count, LF did indeed hit (6/12) 50% on Einstein last year and one whole alliance.

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987/1124/201 top 67/100/326 in 2 matches.
233/968/60 top 1114/1717/195 in 3 excellent, very close, matches.

233/968/60 top 987/1124/201 in 3 dramatic, close, matches.
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67/16/348 topped 1124/1024/177 in 2 matches.
1114/217/148 topped 968/233/60 in 3 matches.

1114/217/148 topped 67/100/326 in 2 matches.
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IRI is big, but not as big as Einstien. My opinion. .
If you win Einstein you get more prestige, but bragging rights are equal if you win IRI. In my opinion, the quality average of teams is higher at IRI, but since it isn't an official event, more is on the line in the Einstein finals than at IRI.

They are both really epic though.
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Re: Predictions Championship 2009: Einstein

I personally think the winning alliance in ARCHIMEDES Archimedes will have team 2826 - Wave Robotics no idea about the alliance partners though...
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